Version 2 thoughts...
Having seen some of the demos of VS2005 and it's built in refactoring
functionality, again I'm wondering what ReSharper can offer over the new
version. I know you mentioned that you're creating a new IDE, but unless it
beats the pants off VS2005 in all areas, how many will use it - especially
since there are so many applications and products that integrate with VS -
nevermind Team System. I would have trouble going to my boss and saying I
need to buy a new IDE, because although is has everything I need and I know
we dumped a ton of money to get the team new IDE's, JetBrain's is much
cooler (use the appropriate description here). Don't get me wrong, I love
ReSharper and we bought it for our entire team, but what can you tell us
about the new version that will make me want to get it and - more
importantly - budget for version 2?
Thanks,
Derek Price
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Hello Derek,
Hi Derek:
Thanks for your comments ... I'll answer from the "non-developer" point of
view ...
First, the specific features for the full ReSharper IDE are still being developed
(but the IDE has been under development) ... like all JetBrains products,
it's definately going to initially be a niche market tool (yes, this is just
'marketing hype' and doesn't tell you much -- but, IntelliJ IDEA played/plays
this part well ... read one). It'll be a professional tool for C# (and maybe
VB or some other .NET technology ... including .ASP plus XML support, etc...).
However, without sounding too cheesy, JetBrains always leads from the front
-- while VS 2005 will have some refactorings, etc... our IDE is basically
guaranteed to have MORE -- additionally, we WILL have a plugin for VS 2005
that brings more refactorings (additional to what it comes with), support
for C# 2.0, and other productivity tools that will make VS studio better.
Our IDE, naturally, will have all of this too, and more (and should be cheaper).
If you need the "total" VS .NET features -- and use them a lot, then maybe
VS .NET will be for you, and you'll just super charge it with the ReSharper
plugin ... on the otherhand, if you're a hardcore C# guy (and as I said,
maybe one or two other .NET technologies), then the full ReSharper IDE is
probably going to be better -- from the tech side, price side, support side,
etc....
Maybe you can be specific to what you need/require in an IDE, what you miss
in VS .NET, etc... to give us a better idea of our customes' needs?
Best,
David
JetBrains, Inc.
"Develop with pleasure!"
Hi David,
Thanks for the great response. Do I know what I want in the new version?
No - unfortunately I'm one of those geeks who wants it all, but doesn't
really know what it is he wants! I plan to put VS2005 on a VPC and try it
for a while and see what I like and don't like. I really love ReSharper as
it has made my life much easier and less error prone. It also has made Test
Driven Design much easier. I just saw a demo at a Microsoft seminar and it
looks like VS2005 has some really nice features (previewing changes come to
mind). It was a while ago, so I don't remember much at this point. I will
compare and contrast VS2003 & ReSharper vs. VS2005 and let you know.
Thanks,
Derek
P.S. Please make sure you support source control access (VSS at the least)!
I know we're interested in the coming integrated Team System, so I'm not
sure how that will affect your own IDE.
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We'll do. We plan to have support for at least VSS and CVS in the first version of IDE. Maybe more.
Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"
>> Hi Derek:
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>> Thanks for your comments ... I'll answer from the "non-developer"
>> point of view ...
>>
>> First, the specific features for the full ReSharper IDE are still
>> being developed (but the IDE has been under development) ... like
>> all JetBrains products, it's definately going to initially be a
>> niche market tool (yes, this is just 'marketing hype' and doesn't
>> tell you much -- but, IntelliJ IDEA played/plays this part well ...
>> read one). It'll be a professional tool for C# (and maybe VB or
>> some other .NET technology ... including .ASP plus XML support,
>> etc...).
>>
>> However, without sounding too cheesy, JetBrains always leads from the
>> front -- while VS 2005 will have some refactorings, etc... our IDE is
>> basically guaranteed to have MORE -- additionally, we WILL have a
>> plugin for VS 2005 that brings more refactorings (additional to what
>> it comes with), support for C# 2.0, and other productivity tools
>> that will make VS studio better. Our IDE, naturally, will have all
>> of this too, and more (and should be cheaper).
>>
>> If you need the "total" VS .NET features -- and use them a lot, then
>> maybe VS .NET will be for you, and you'll just super charge it with
>> the ReSharper plugin ... on the otherhand, if you're a hardcore C#
>> guy (and as I said, maybe one or two other .NET technologies), then
>> the full ReSharper IDE is probably going to be better -- from the
>> tech side, price side, support side, etc....
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>> Maybe you can be specific to what you need/require in an IDE, what
>> you miss in VS .NET, etc... to give us a better idea of our
>> customes' needs?
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>> Best,
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>> David
>> JetBrains, Inc.
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
Hello Valentin,
VK> We'll do. We plan to have support for at least VSS and CVS in the
VK> first version of IDE. Maybe more.
I'd vote for SVN over VSS.
Hi David,
Here's an interesting post on new views of IntelliSense that Microsoft is
reviewing. So here a concrete example for you!
http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn/archive/2004/11/08/254266.aspx
Thanks,
Derek
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>> Having seen some of the demos of VS2005 and it's built in refactoring
>> functionality, again I'm wondering what ReSharper can offer over the
>> new version. I know you mentioned that you're creating a new IDE, but
>> unless it beats the pants off VS2005 in all areas, how many will use
>> it - especially since there are so many applications and products that
>> integrate with VS - nevermind Team System. I would have trouble going
>> to my boss and saying I need to buy a new IDE, because although is has
>> everything I need and I know we dumped a ton of money to get the team
>> new IDE's, JetBrain's is much cooler (use the appropriate description
>> here). Don't get me wrong, I love ReSharper and we bought it for our
>> entire team, but what can you tell us about the new version that will
>> make me want to get it and - more importantly - budget for version 2?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Derek Price
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Which ideas in that discussion do you like and which do you dislike?
Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"
>> Hello Derek,
>>
>>> Having seen some of the demos of VS2005 and it's built in
>>> refactoring functionality, again I'm wondering what ReSharper can
>>> offer over the new version. I know you mentioned that you're
>>> creating a new IDE, but unless it beats the pants off VS2005 in all
>>> areas, how many will use it - especially since there are so many
>>> applications and products that integrate with VS - nevermind Team
>>> System. I would have trouble going to my boss and saying I need to
>>> buy a new IDE, because although is has everything I need and I know
>>> we dumped a ton of money to get the team new IDE's, JetBrain's is
>>> much cooler (use the appropriate description here). Don't get me
>>> wrong, I love ReSharper and we bought it for our entire team, but
>>> what can you tell us about the new version that will make me want to
>>> get it and - more importantly - budget for version 2?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Derek Price
>> Hi Derek:
>>
>> Thanks for your comments ... I'll answer from the "non-developer"
>> point of view ...
>>
>> First, the specific features for the full ReSharper IDE are still
>> being developed (but the IDE has been under development) ... like
>> all JetBrains products, it's definately going to initially be a
>> niche market tool (yes, this is just 'marketing hype' and doesn't
>> tell you much -- but, IntelliJ IDEA played/plays this part well ...
>> read one). It'll be a professional tool for C# (and maybe VB or
>> some other .NET technology ... including .ASP plus XML support,
>> etc...).
>>
>> However, without sounding too cheesy, JetBrains always leads from the
>> front -- while VS 2005 will have some refactorings, etc... our IDE is
>> basically guaranteed to have MORE -- additionally, we WILL have a
>> plugin for VS 2005 that brings more refactorings (additional to what
>> it comes with), support for C# 2.0, and other productivity tools
>> that will make VS studio better. Our IDE, naturally, will have all
>> of this too, and more (and should be cheaper).
>>
>> If you need the "total" VS .NET features -- and use them a lot, then
>> maybe VS .NET will be for you, and you'll just super charge it with
>> the ReSharper plugin ... on the otherhand, if you're a hardcore C#
>> guy (and as I said, maybe one or two other .NET technologies), then
>> the full ReSharper IDE is probably going to be better -- from the
>> tech side, price side, support side, etc....
>>
>> Maybe you can be specific to what you need/require in an IDE, what
>> you miss in VS .NET, etc... to give us a better idea of our
>> customes' needs?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> David
>> JetBrains, Inc.
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
I use IntelliSense to see what a class has to offer, but it can be
overwhelming. The Common/All tabs are an interesting idea, but I would need
to try this to see if it's as practical as it looks. I also would like the
option similar to Visual Assist that was mentioned in another post that will
automatically drop down intellisense when you start typing instead of always
pressing ctrl+space.
Thanks,
Derek
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But why can't you position the caret right after '.' and press Ctrl+Space to see what class has to offer? Isn't that easier than switching tabs?
We'll add it.
Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"
>>> Here's an interesting post on new views of IntelliSense that
>>> Microsoft is reviewing. So here a concrete example for you!
>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn/archive/2004/11/08/254266.aspx
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>> Which ideas in that discussion do you like and which do you dislike?
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>> Valentin Kipiatkov
>> Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
But what if you haven't set a reference to a class? See this post . It
goes back to what's referenced with "using". If you don't have the correct
namespace referenced, then you have no idea that a particular class is
available (the author uses the Array vs. ArrayList example). Ctrl+space
will get you nothing.
Thanks,
Derek
http://javakid.blogspot.com/2004/11/visual-studio-making-intellisense.html
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to see what class has to offer? Isn't that easier than switching tabs?
To complete name of a type not referenced by usings yet you can use CtrlAltSpace. Showing them all by Ctrl+Space would make the list too long.
Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"
>>> I use IntelliSense to see what a class has to offer, but it can be
>>> overwhelming. The Common/All tabs are an interesting idea, but I
>>> would need to try this to see if it's as practical as it looks.
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>> But why can't you position the caret right after '.' and press
>> Ctrl+Space
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Derek/David:
If you'd like to talk about this more I'd be happy to discuss it with you! Just drop me an email and we can chat about things you do/don't like and what you think are the important steps we can take in the future!
Feel free to contact me at my gmail address.
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Sorry, i must be missing where that gmail address is located. Could you tell me what it is? Thanks!
Sorry - I can see it when I view the ReSharper forums using Outlook Express.
I just have to double-click on the user. Anyway, it's
derek.price@gmail.com.
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