C# IDE Features

Hi,

I'm just wondering if you'd like to share with us what features you've
planned for the new IDE? Also, will only C# be supported? What about
ASP.NET? Css? C++?

-me

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Hello Frank,

Hi,

I'm just wondering if you'd like to share with us what features you've
planned for the new IDE? Also, will only C# be supported? What about
ASP.NET? Css? C++?

-me


Hello Frank, as of now, the IDE > AND < the plugin for VS .NET 2005 should
support:

C# 2.0 (including Generics)
VB.NET
ASP.NET
CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)

More details will come in the next month or so ... but, you've heard it here
first ....

David Stennett
JetBrains, Inc.


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David Stennett wrote:

Hello Frank,

>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm just wondering if you'd like to share with us what features you've
>> planned for the new IDE? Also, will only C# be supported? What about
>> ASP.NET? Css? C++?
>>
>> -me


Hello Frank, as of now, the IDE > AND < the plugin for VS .NET 2005
should support:

C# 2.0 (including Generics)
VB.NET
ASP.NET
CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)

More details will come in the next month or so ... but, you've heard it
here first ....

David Stennett
JetBrains, Inc.


Thanks. Can't wait to try it out. Or even to hear more details. :)

Are you planning on including css support, similar to the one you're
currently integrating into JIdea? What about support for C++? If not,
will it be possible to make a plugin which could add C++ support to your
IDE, similar to the Eclipse CDT? I'm currently a Java, C++ and C#
developer. For Java I use JIdea, of course. I code C# in VS .NET 2003
with Resharper, and I'm planning on using your IDE once it becomes
available. As for C++, I tend to switch between VS and Eclipse CDT.
Neither of them makes me happy. I don't need all the functionality that
JIdea offers. But I can't possibly imagine that it would be impossible
to add all the minor things that makes it so much more pleasent to
develop. Better code navigation. Smarter code completition. You know
what I'm talking about. ;)

If no. Does anyone know about a good C++ IDE I could try out?

-Frank.

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FN> If no. Does anyone know about a good C++ IDE I could try out?
"Visual SlickEdit" - http://www.slickedit.com/

--
WBR,
Tom

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CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)


Small correction: CVS/VSS won't be in the plug-in for VS.NET, only in the
IDE.

Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Hello Frank,

>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm just wondering if you'd like to share with us what features
>> you've planned for the new IDE? Also, will only C# be supported? What
>> about ASP.NET? Css? C++?
>>
>> -me
>>

Hello Frank, as of now, the IDE > AND < the plugin for VS .NET
2005 should support:

C# 2.0 (including Generics)
VB.NET
ASP.NET
CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)
More details will come in the next month or so ... but, you've heard
it here first ....

David Stennett
JetBrains, Inc.



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Are you planning on including css support, similar to the one you're
currently integrating into JIdea?


Perhaps but definitely not in the first release.

What about support for C++?


We consider implementing support for C++ but it's not easy (due to preprocessor
and other difficulties) and we have no fixed plans yet.

If not,
will it be possible to make a plugin which could add C++ support to
your IDE, similar to the Eclipse CDT?


We will have API for adding new languages but C++ is quite sophisticated
language and I doubt the API will be power enough to support it.

Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

David Stennett wrote:

>> Hello Frank,
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering if you'd like to share with us what features
>>> you've planned for the new IDE? Also, will only C# be supported?
>>> What about ASP.NET? Css? C++?
>>>
>>> -me
>>>
>> Hello Frank, as of now, the IDE > AND < the plugin for VS .NET
>> 2005 should support:
>>
>> C# 2.0 (including Generics)
>> VB.NET
>> ASP.NET
>> CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)
>> More details will come in the next month or so ... but, you've heard
>> it here first ....
>>
>> David Stennett
>> JetBrains, Inc.

Thanks. Can't wait to try it out. Or even to hear more details. :)

Are you planning on including css support, similar to the one you're
currently integrating into JIdea? What about support for C++? If not,
will it be possible to make a plugin which could add C++ support to
your IDE, similar to the Eclipse CDT? I'm currently a Java, C++ and C#
developer. For Java I use JIdea, of course. I code C# in VS .NET 2003
with Resharper, and I'm planning on using your IDE once it becomes
available. As for C++, I tend to switch between VS and Eclipse CDT.
Neither of them makes me happy. I don't need all the functionality
that JIdea offers. But I can't possibly imagine that it would be
impossible to add all the minor things that makes it so much more
pleasent to develop. Better code navigation. Smarter code
completition. You know what I'm talking about. ;)

If no. Does anyone know about a good C++ IDE I could try out?

-Frank.



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Hello Valentin,

>> CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)
>>

Small correction: CVS/VSS won't be in the plug-in for VS.NET, only in
the IDE.


Oops, I forgot to seperate the info about VB.NET, C# 2.0, and ASP.NET (in
the plugin) ... thanks Valentin for the correction.

CVS/VSS support (etc...) will NOT be in the plugin -- just in the IDE ....

I believe (Valentin, can you confirm) ... that:

NAnt
Unit Tester (compatiable with NUnit & CSUnit)

Will also be in the IDE ... or am I just speculating at this time?

David Stennett
JetBrains, Inc.


Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>> Hello Frank,
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering if you'd like to share with us what features
>>> you've planned for the new IDE? Also, will only C# be supported?
>>> What about ASP.NET? Css? C++?
>>>
>>> -me
>>>
>> Hello Frank, as of now, the IDE > AND < the plugin for VS .NET
>> 2005 should support:
>>
>> C# 2.0 (including Generics)
>> VB.NET
>> ASP.NET
>> CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)
>> More details will come in the next month or so ... but, you've heard
>> it here first ....
>> David Stennett
>> JetBrains, Inc.


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NAnt
Unit Tester (compatiable with NUnit & CSUnit)
Will also be in the IDE ... or am I just speculating at this time?


Right, they will be in the IDE only.

Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Hello Valentin,

>>> CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)
>>>
>> Small correction: CVS/VSS won't be in the plug-in for VS.NET, only in
>> the IDE.
>>

Oops, I forgot to seperate the info about VB.NET, C# 2.0, and ASP.NET
(in the plugin) ... thanks Valentin for the correction.

CVS/VSS support (etc...) will NOT be in the plugin -- just in the IDE
....

I believe (Valentin, can you confirm) ... that:

NAnt
Unit Tester (compatiable with NUnit & CSUnit)
Will also be in the IDE ... or am I just speculating at this time?

David Stennett
JetBrains, Inc.

>> Valentin Kipiatkov
>> Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>> Hello Frank,
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm just wondering if you'd like to share with us what features
>>>> you've planned for the new IDE? Also, will only C# be supported?
>>>> What about ASP.NET? Css? C++?
>>>>
>>>> -me
>>>>
>>> Hello Frank, as of now, the IDE > AND < the plugin for VS .NET
>>> 2005 should support:
>>>
>>> C# 2.0 (including Generics)
>>> VB.NET
>>> ASP.NET
>>> CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)
>>> More details will come in the next month or so ... but, you've heard
>>> it here first ....
>>> David Stennett
>>> JetBrains, Inc.


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Have you guys looked at TestDriven.NET for VS.NET? It's extremely capable
and you'd be wise to try to emulate it's abilities or maybe even allow for
it to just be plugged into your IDE.

One thing Microsoft isn't doing that you can is USE the open source
communities tools... people will love you for it.


"Valentin Kipiatkov (JetBrains)" <valentin@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
news:399982632427977207582345@news.intellij.net...
>> NAnt
>> Unit Tester (compatiable with NUnit & CSUnit)
>> Will also be in the IDE ... or am I just speculating at this time?
>

Right, they will be in the IDE only.

>

Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>
>> Hello Valentin,
>>
>>>> CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)
>>>>
>>> Small correction: CVS/VSS won't be in the plug-in for VS.NET, only in
>>> the IDE.
>>>
>> Oops, I forgot to seperate the info about VB.NET, C# 2.0, and ASP.NET
>> (in the plugin) ... thanks Valentin for the correction.
>>
>> CVS/VSS support (etc...) will NOT be in the plugin -- just in the IDE
>> ....
>>
>> I believe (Valentin, can you confirm) ... that:
>>
>> NAnt
>> Unit Tester (compatiable with NUnit & CSUnit)
>> Will also be in the IDE ... or am I just speculating at this time?
>>
>> David Stennett
>> JetBrains, Inc.
>>> Valentin Kipiatkov
>>> Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>> Hello Frank,
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just wondering if you'd like to share with us what features
>>>>> you've planned for the new IDE? Also, will only C# be supported?
>>>>> What about ASP.NET? Css? C++?
>>>>>
>>>>> -me
>>>>>
>>>> Hello Frank, as of now, the IDE > AND < the plugin for VS .NET
>>>> 2005 should support:
>>>>
>>>> C# 2.0 (including Generics)
>>>> VB.NET
>>>> ASP.NET
>>>> CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)
>>>> More details will come in the next month or so ... but, you've heard
>>>> it here first ....
>>>> David Stennett
>>>> JetBrains, Inc.
>



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Have you guys looked at TestDriven.NET for VS.NET? It's extremely
capable and you'd be wise to try to emulate it's abilities or maybe
even allow for it to just be plugged into your IDE.

One thing Microsoft isn't doing that you can is USE the open source
communities tools... people will love you for it.


Yes, please... I prefer the use of mbUnit (included in the TestDriven.NET
distribution) over NUnit due to its highly extensible architecture.

Thanks,
Sean Timm


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>> What about support for C++?


We consider implementing support for C++ but it's not easy (due to
preprocessor and other difficulties) and we have no fixed plans yet.


Have you discussed this further yet? Me and most of my
friends and colleagues are constantly hoping that the
day will come when you decide you will support C++.
I know C++ is a complex language, but in my opinion,
there is no real editor for this language. I've
tried them all, but I feel like I'm working ten times
slower than I do developing java in IntelliJ. So if you
actually make it, I know it'll be widely appreciated.

Anyways. Any updates? But positive and negative feedbacks
is appreciated. I just want to know.

-me

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Anyways. Any updates? But positive and negative feedbacks is
appreciated. I just want to know.


If we decide to support C++, the support won't appear early than in 1.5-2
years because the first version of IDE won't support it and we do not have
resources to support it until that. Are you personally interested in managed
(.NET) or unmanaged C++?

Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>>> What about support for C++?
>>>
>> We consider implementing support for C++ but it's not easy (due to
>> preprocessor and other difficulties) and we have no fixed plans yet.
>>

Have you discussed this further yet? Me and most of my
friends and colleagues are constantly hoping that the
day will come when you decide you will support C++.
I know C++ is a complex language, but in my opinion,
there is no real editor for this language. I've
tried them all, but I feel like I'm working ten times
slower than I do developing java in IntelliJ. So if you
actually make it, I know it'll be widely appreciated.
Anyways. Any updates? But positive and negative feedbacks is
appreciated. I just want to know.

-me




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If we decide to support C++, the support won't appear early than in
1.5-2 years because the first version of IDE won't support it and we do
not have resources to support it until that. Are you personally
interested in managed (.NET) or unmanaged C++?


I've only been using standard C++, as in unmanaged. I do however have
to admit that I haven't taken the time to investigate what differences
there are between managed and unmanaged C++. Which, in your eyes, is
best?

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Hello Frank,

I think that managed C++ is the language of choice when you need to interoperate
heavily between
.NET components and legacy C/C++ code, as it allows to mix both worlds in
one project. If you don't
use .NET in your environment, I don't see any reasons for using managed C++.
I've never heard of any
applications of managed C++ outside .NET scope though of course I may be
wrong.

Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>> If we decide to support C++, the support won't appear early than in
>> 1.5-2 years because the first version of IDE won't support it and we
>> do not have resources to support it until that. Are you personally
>> interested in managed (.NET) or unmanaged C++?
>>

I've only been using standard C++, as in unmanaged. I do however have
to admit that I haven't taken the time to investigate what differences
there are between managed and unmanaged C++. Which, in your eyes, is
best?






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I think that managed C++ is the language of choice when you need to
interoperate heavily between
.NET components and legacy C/C++ code, as it allows to mix both worlds
in one project. If you don't
use .NET in your environment, I don't see any reasons for using managed
C++. I've never heard of any
applications of managed C++ outside .NET scope though of course I may be
wrong.


Will you support both managed and unmanaged C++ if you decide to include
C++ support in your new IDE?

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Will you support both managed and unmanaged C++ if you decide to
include C++ support in your new IDE?


It's to early to discuss that now but I don't see why not to support unmanaged
C++ if managed C++ is supported.

Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>> I think that managed C++ is the language of choice when you need to
>> interoperate heavily between
>> .NET components and legacy C/C++ code, as it allows to mix both
>> worlds
>> in one project. If you don't
>> use .NET in your environment, I don't see any reasons for using
>> managed
>> C++. I've never heard of any
>> applications of managed C++ outside .NET scope though of course I may
>> be
>> wrong.

Will you support both managed and unmanaged C++ if you decide to
include C++ support in your new IDE?




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Have you guys looked at TestDriven.NET for VS.NET? It's extremely
capable and you'd be wise to try to emulate it's abilities or maybe
even allow for it to just be plugged into your IDE.


We not only will include cool unit-tests support into our IDE but also we've
decided to include it into ReSharper 2.0 add-in already!

Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Have you guys looked at TestDriven.NET for VS.NET? It's extremely
capable and you'd be wise to try to emulate it's abilities or maybe
even allow for it to just be plugged into your IDE.

One thing Microsoft isn't doing that you can is USE the open source
communities tools... people will love you for it.

"Valentin Kipiatkov (JetBrains)" <valentin@jetbrains.com> wrote in
message news:399982632427977207582345@news.intellij.net...

>>> NAnt
>>> Unit Tester (compatiable with NUnit & CSUnit)
>>> Will also be in the IDE ... or am I just speculating at this time?
>> Right, they will be in the IDE only.
>>
>> Valentin Kipiatkov
>> Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>> Hello Valentin,
>>>
>>>>> CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)
>>>>>
>>>> Small correction: CVS/VSS won't be in the plug-in for VS.NET, only
>>>> in the IDE.
>>>>
>>> Oops, I forgot to seperate the info about VB.NET, C# 2.0, and
>>> ASP.NET (in the plugin) ... thanks Valentin for the correction.
>>>
>>> CVS/VSS support (etc...) will NOT be in the plugin -- just in the
>>> IDE ....
>>>
>>> I believe (Valentin, can you confirm) ... that:
>>>
>>> NAnt
>>> Unit Tester (compatiable with NUnit & CSUnit)
>>> Will also be in the IDE ... or am I just speculating at this time?
>>> David Stennett
>>> JetBrains, Inc.
>>>> Valentin Kipiatkov
>>>> Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>> Hello Frank,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just wondering if you'd like to share with us what features
>>>>>> you've planned for the new IDE? Also, will only C# be supported?
>>>>>> What about ASP.NET? Css? C++?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -me
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Frank, as of now, the IDE > AND < the plugin for VS .NET
>>>>> 2005 should support:
>>>>>
>>>>> C# 2.0 (including Generics)
>>>>> VB.NET
>>>>> ASP.NET
>>>>> CVS/VSS (with possibly subversion and/or perforce supported, too)
>>>>> More details will come in the next month or so ... but, you've
>>>>> heard
>>>>> it here first ....
>>>>> David Stennett
>>>>> JetBrains, Inc.



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