Feedback Needed
Hi guys,
The closer we are to day X the more we want to do a reality check: how
good is 3.0 currently for our customers. And the most reliable source of
information is your feedback. ReSharper 3.0 adds value to a number of areas
but there are some we have most questions about:
1) Visual Basic support
Do you like the features? How well completion, generation, live templates
and refactorings work?
2) XAML support
XAML is a powerful UI design tool and we want to support developers
working on the edge of recent technologies. We spent subtantial time on XAML
support in ReSharper 3.0 and want to know if your XAML-based projects are
fully backed by ReSharper. Does it help you in writing XAML code? Does it
highlight references to XAML entities properly?
3) Unit Testing
With our brand new unit testing tool we hope to cover many more testing
scenarios than we did in 2.0. So how does it compare? Do you like the test
explorer? Are you comfortable with the new session paradigm? Is the new user
interface friendly to you?
4) ASP.NET
We did tremendous job improving quality of ASP.NET support and want
to know whether we are a better ASP.NET tool now. Does it work good on your
projects? Do you like performance improvements? Do the features help you?
5) Perceived performance
In recent builds we worked hard on improving performance of ReSharper
builds. Did you notice that or you still experience substantial slowdowns
on opening projects or when working with Resharper?
If you have anything to answer please do it in this thread!
Oleg Stepanov
Software Developer
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"
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"Oleg Stepanov" <oleg.stepanov@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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I'm afraid I have to answer that I haven't been able to try it yet. I'm at a
critical stage in our project, and the fact that I can't run both releases
on the same machine prevents me from trying the new release.
I hope to have a VM set up in the next week or two that I can use to safely
test.
Thanks,
John
I had to uninstall the beta (and revert back to 2.5.2) after 30 minutes of crashing/odd-behavior ;-(
In other words, please make absolutely sure it's stable. Especially when reloading projects after a source control change (to the project file.)
Your last somewhat stable release was build 423. After the license stopped
being renewed for that version I tried upgrading to your newer builds but
they proved very unstable. The last version I tried was build 449 and it was
very unstable although the comment on the Nightly Builds page is "Works
here". I would be more then happy to try the latest version and give
feedback but I am waiting for something that you feel is stable.
Bob
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I'm on build 451 doing C# heavy ASP.NET development.
The performance is much better - for a while. But I do neeed to restart VS2005
every couple of hours.
I tried out 2.5.2, but it was just too slow to use in practice.
There are some features missing (lots actually - I used to use IntelliJ :)
), but IMHO it seems a reasonable product to release soon.
I'm not spending a lot of hours developing now, but the times I tried the
beta it seems responsive in winforms/console/class library projects. I've
logged a few exceptions, so hopefully you'll release another beta _and give
it a few weeks to stabilize_ before release since I doubt I'll try a nightly
build again.
Dag
1) Visual Basic support - Don't use it
2) XAML support - Don't use it
3) Unit Testing - Its OK but there are plenty of alternatives readily available
4) ASP.NET - Not done any during this EAP
5) Perceived performance
You have made significant improvements in this area. Solution load has been much faster for some time now (was that a 3.0 thing?). Refactoring speeds are good and R# interference with general IDE navigation speed has got much lighter (improved) during the EAPs.
I must say though that I am not yet certain that I will upgrade to R# 3. As a core C# coder I do not see that many new refactoring features for me.
But probably my greatest concern is with your ongoing ability to release new EAP versions with significant breakages of features that worked in a previous build. That indicates to me that you may not be doing enough testing before releases; unit, functional and (in house) user testing. It looks bad when you release a new (official) EAP that breaks existing features.
Using Build #447
3) Unit Testing
I hate the new unit test runner.
- Debugging is broken which is unacceptable. I used to be able to debug the unit tests in a class library without a problem. Now I can't do it all. I've had to switch back to the NUnit GUI just to perform the simplest debugging.
- I have no use for sessions so I haven't tested this aspect.
- I would have preferred the addition of support for additional unit testing frameworks like MBUnit. I know there is a third-party plugin but it's not 100%. MBUnit support should be integrated.
- There is still an almost total lack of real documentation for the test runner options. No matter how I mix the options I get same result so as far as I am concerned the Unit Testing options are worthless.
- I often have problems with the test runner not properly building the solution prior to running tests. I often see a error that indicates the runner is looking for a release version of an assembly when the whole solution is set to "DEBUG". I then have to rebuild manually and then run the tests. This is another reason why I have gone back to the NUnit GUI.
- My advice is to pitch the whole test runner and license TestDriven.NET. TD.NET has none of these problems.
New Options Dialog
The new options dialog window is a horrible mess. Nodes keep expanding on me at random. I collapse the "Languages" node, click on "Code Inspection", the "Languages" node expands again!
Does the Unit Test Runner in 3.0 support the VS.NET 2005 Team Suite Unit Testing Framework?
It certainly doesn't appear to be supported in 2.5.2 (none of my unit tests show up), making this feature useless.
Nope. Only NUnit is supported. Yet another reason to pitch it entirely and go with TestDriven.Net which does support Visual Studio tests.
Hello Oleg,
I am anxious to see how much the ASP.NET experience has improved, but unfortunately,
there seems to be a rather severe bug in 3.0 that is preventing me from using
it. My project references are not recognized by ReSharper and as a result,
a lot of my code is showing up in red. It seems that it is having problems
with projects that reside in solution folders. I have tried this in the
beta build as well as the latest nightly (#454).
When this issue is fixed, I will be happy to try it out, but for now, I must
revert to 2.5.2 to do my work.
~Andy
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I'm at a loss to understand why this was posted.
Another 3.0 issue with ASP.NET projects is that it does not seem to recognize
public properties of other UserControls in my code behind. So if I declare
a custom user control in the code in front like this:
<my:MyCustomControl ID="myControl" runat="server"/>
And then try to access a custom property in the code behind called NumberOfItems
like this:
myControl.NumberOfItems = 3;
ReSharper is highlighting the NumberOfItems in red saying the property doesn't
exist. This is also a very severe issue. Please let me know when it is
fixed so that I can reinstall 3.0. For now, I am going to revert to 2.5.2.
~Andy
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> The closer we are to day X the more we want to do a reality check:
>> how good is 3.0 currently for our customers. And the most reliable
>> source of information is your feedback. ReSharper 3.0 adds value to a
>> number of areas but there are some we have most questions about:
>>
>> 1) Visual Basic support
>> Do you like the features? How well completion, generation, live
>> templates
>> and refactorings work?
>> 2) XAML support
>> XAML is a powerful UI design tool and we want to support
>> developers
>> working on the edge of recent technologies. We spent subtantial time
>> on XAML
>> support in ReSharper 3.0 and want to know if your XAML-based projects
>> are fully backed by ReSharper. Does it help you in writing XAML code?
>> Does it highlight references to XAML entities properly?
>> 3) Unit Testing
>> With our brand new unit testing tool we hope to cover many more
>> testing
>> scenarios than we did in 2.0. So how does it compare? Do you like the
>> test
>> explorer? Are you comfortable with the new session paradigm? Is the
>> new user interface friendly to you?
>> 4) ASP.NET
>> We did tremendous job improving quality of ASP.NET support and
>> want
>> to know whether we are a better ASP.NET tool now. Does it work good
>> on
>> your
>> projects? Do you like performance improvements? Do the features help
>> you?
>> 5) Perceived performance
>> In recent builds we worked hard on improving performance of
>> ReSharper
>> builds. Did you notice that or you still experience substantial
>> slowdowns
>> on opening projects or when working with Resharper?
>> If you have anything to answer please do it in this thread!
>>
>> Oleg Stepanov
>> Software Developer
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
I just downloaded & installed build #451 which seems to have fixed the debugging problem. Thank GOD
I have a couple more complaints about unit testing.
- The new Sessions & Explorer are annoying. I preferred the old way with only one window, the test runner. Now I have to have two windows open to run all of my tests. It's too much clutter. I really prefer the single window approach of the NUnit & MBUnit GUI's.
- I don't have the profiler installed yet there is a Profile button in my test runner window.
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kevinDwhite
It really sounds like Resharper 3.0 is nowhere near ready for release (let alone beta.) It also cements my feelings on waiting as long as possible (until 2.5.X is no longer supported) before I consider buying 3.X.
In as much as I'd really like to help test 3.0 and provide feedback, my clients don't pay me to do so ;) If Resharper were a bit kinder to the 2.5 customers, I might feel differently.
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>> I'm afraid I have to answer that I haven't been able to try it yet. I'm
>> at a critical stage in our project, and the fact that I can't run both
>> releases on the same machine prevents me from trying the new release.
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>> I hope to have a VM set up in the next week or two that I can use to
>> safely test.
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We were asked for feedback. I responded that I have no feedback because the
two releases can't be run on the same machine. I indicated that this would
likely be resolved shortly (though perhaps I should have left out the reason
why it would be resolved shortly).
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John
ASP.NET Issues
All of the following appear in a UserControl (*.ascx) file:
R# complains that I can not access non-static property:
' />]]>
Can not resolve symbol 'Provider'
Version <%= Provider.Version %>
Can not resolve symbol 'CancelButton_Click'
<asp:Button OnClick="CancelButton_Click" ...>
Can not resolve symbol 'Field":
<asp:Label AssociatedControlID="Field" ...>
<asp:TextBox ID="Field" ...>
Hello Andrew,
could you please submit a request to our tracker describing the problem with
project references in ASP.NET?
An exact sequence of steps or a small solution would be great. Thanks.
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> The closer we are to day X the more we want to do a reality check:
>> how good is 3.0 currently for our customers. And the most reliable
>> source of information is your feedback. ReSharper 3.0 adds value to a
>> number of areas but there are some we have most questions about:
>>
>> 1) Visual Basic support
>> Do you like the features? How well completion, generation, live
>> templates
>> and refactorings work?
>> 2) XAML support
>> XAML is a powerful UI design tool and we want to support
>> developers
>> working on the edge of recent technologies. We spent subtantial time
>> on XAML
>> support in ReSharper 3.0 and want to know if your XAML-based projects
>> are fully backed by ReSharper. Does it help you in writing XAML code?
>> Does it highlight references to XAML entities properly?
>> 3) Unit Testing
>> With our brand new unit testing tool we hope to cover many more
>> testing
>> scenarios than we did in 2.0. So how does it compare? Do you like the
>> test
>> explorer? Are you comfortable with the new session paradigm? Is the
>> new user interface friendly to you?
>> 4) ASP.NET
>> We did tremendous job improving quality of ASP.NET support and
>> want
>> to know whether we are a better ASP.NET tool now. Does it work good
>> on
>> your
>> projects? Do you like performance improvements? Do the features help
>> you?
>> 5) Perceived performance
>> In recent builds we worked hard on improving performance of
>> ReSharper
>> builds. Did you notice that or you still experience substantial
>> slowdowns
>> on opening projects or when working with Resharper?
>> If you have anything to answer please do it in this thread!
>>
>> Oleg Stepanov
>> Software Developer
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
Hi Oleg,
I just tried this on significant code base of legacy VB.NET for a few days
and unfortunately it is not on par with excellent C# support, quite often
it reports problems with symbols, especially with late binding ...
I understand your motivation for providing functionality but unit
testing support in Resharper is quite weak when compared with
other alternatives and just polutes menus :)
It is maybe a little bit too rough but I don't find any added value and
would prefer to have a version without it or ability to disable it at all
(see my recent question). Please could we have an option to disable
it or why don't you ship it as a "standard" (bundled) reshaper plugin
that can be disabled ?
Performance is much better that it was in 2.x series ...
I believe it still can be better but it is acceptable now ...
I love C# support in Reshaper and consider asking for more
copies for other colleagues but will wait to see how licensing
(pricing) turns out ...
Thanks
Martin
My advice is to pitch the whole test runner and license TestDriven.NET. TD.NET has none of these problems
Yes, I strongly agree with this. If JetBrains did a good job of their unit test tool, then laziness would ensure I used it. But, as things stand today, the unit test tool is not up to scratch.
TestDriven.NET is a far, far superior implementation. It just works, and it works well.
The new options dialog window is a horrible mess
This is a classic GUI step back. What feedback, I wonder, did JetBrains receive that compelled them to overhaul this window. IMHO, it was fine before.
Andrew. it's dead strange. Could you create a small sample solution for us.
You may email it to me directly to qx at jetbrains dot com.
Thanks in advance.
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Sergey V. Coox
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"
Andy,
Could you send us a 2--3-files solution, that illustrates the problem?
For I cannot reproduce the problems you are experiencing.
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Sergey V. Coox
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"
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After using Beta 3.0 for a few days with NAnt files, I have the following observations and requests:
Observations:
1. Typing "<property" + Ctrl/Space causes an exception. This has been reported in your JIRA.
2. Sometimes hitting trying to navigate to a property doesn't work. If I close and reopen visual studio then it will work.
Requests:
1. It would be nice to have the view that appears when you type "Ctrl + F12" be the same as the navigation window where the properties are listed first and the followed by the targets.
2. It would be nice to be able to navigate from a main file to targets and properties in an included file.
Thanks and please let me know if you have any questions.
-- Rodney
I have the following target:
]]>
Reshaper complains at the end of each line in the "depends" attribute that "Target '' is not defined." So, it seems to have a problem with carriage returns at the end of lines.
Ok, I'll start creating a list but the following really confuses me.
Opening the "Options" menu shows several of the options with a circular graphic with a "-" in the middle. I keep thinking that somehow each of these are improperly configured and so I am trying to determine how to fix them.
Are these indeed intended to let me know that something is misconfigured or are they just placeholders for images that will be used in the next release?
Thanks.
Hello Rodney,
These signs means that we didn't have icons at the moment of beta release,
sorry about that.
Sincerely,
Ilya Ryzhenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"
RW> Ok, I'll start creating a list but the following really confuses me.
RW>
RW> Opening the "Options" menu shows several of the options with a
RW> circular graphic with a "-" in the middle. I keep thinking that
RW> somehow each of these are improperly configured and so I am trying
RW> to determine how to fix them.
RW>
RW> Are these indeed intended to let me know that something is
RW> misconfigured or are they just placeholders for images that will be
RW> used in the next release?
RW>
RW> Thanks.
RW>
Hello,
R# 3.0 has an installer option that suppresses the upgrade functionality,
which means that a new 3.0 installation won't remove the old products. This
allows for the “2.5 + 3.0” or “3.0.x + 3.0.y” side-by-side installations.
The only limitation is that the installations must not be physically the
same installation MSI package. The page http://www.jetbrains.net/confluence/display/ReSharper/InstallationNotesfor+ReSharper
has some details on how to activate the option.
Uh, of course: the feature was designed for testing needs only and has not
been much tested itself.
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Serge Baltic
JetBrains, Inc — http://www.jetbrains.com
“Develop with pleasure!”
I have only briefly tried V3.0.
The main reason not to try it was the lack of any information regarding upgrade pricing. I now think it's going to be $99 for personal use, but I'm not sure.
At the moment I'm completely happy with 2.5.2 apart from the 'corrupted memory' problem which occasionaly crashes VS.
My quick try of 3.0 beta 1 seemed encouraging, but what's the point of 'disable individual warning' using a #pragma that just creates another warning? Not much is what I say!
Also, I get the impression from this thread that the test runner still can't run VS unit tests. That's something I've always wanted.
I will probably wait for 3.1 or 3.5 before paying $99.
Hello Sergey,
I'm sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I was on vacation. I have verified that the bug still exists in RC1 and I have attached a sample solution. Please try to get this fixed before RTM as it is a MAJOR bug and renders Resharper 3 completely unusable for me (and probably anyone else doing ASP.NET development). I have also added a bug into the tracker for this (RSRP-43723).
~Andy
Attachment not added (general error): "UserControlPublicPropertiesBug.zip"
Hello Andy,
are you using '<% Register...' tags to reference other User Controls in your
code? If yes,
the problem is that ReSharper doesn't recognize such tags and unfortunately
the fix will appear not earlier than in 3.0.1.
This is a kind of architectural issue, and we cannot fix it in 3.0.
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"
>> Andrew. it's dead strange. Could you create a small sample solution
>> for us.
>> You may email it to me directly to qx at jetbrains dot com.
>> Thanks in advance.
Hello Dmitry,
Yes, I am using <% Register to reference the user controls. What other option
is there? The only other way I know to do it is via a <% Reference and then
calling LoadControl in the code behind, but that is something one typically
only does when dynamically loading the control. I suppose you can declare
it in the web.config, but that only makes sense for common UserControls that
are used throughout the site....I'm certainly not going to add an entry in
my web.config for every User Control in my site (there are over 100 of them).
If it is true that Resharper 3 does not support declaring user controls via
<% Register then that is a SEVERE limitation. I don't understand how anyone
could possibly use ReSharper on an ASP.NET project until that is fixed.
~Andy
>> Hello Sergey,
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>> I'm sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I was on vacation.
>> I have verified that the bug still exists in RC1 and I have attached
>> a
>> sample solution. Please try to get this fixed before RTM as it is a
>> MAJOR bug and renders Resharper 3 completely unusable for me (and
>> probably anyone else doing ASP.NET development). I have also added a
>> bug into the tracker for this (RSRP-43723).
>> ~Andy
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>>> Andrew. it's dead strange. Could you create a small sample solution
>>> for us.
>>> You may email it to me directly to qx at jetbrains dot com.
>>> Thanks in advance.