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luxspes wrote:

Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
http://www.promptsql.com/


I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?

0

Hello Luxspes,

this is not planned for 2.0 and is not something we considered seriously. As
always, if many users demand SQL support, we'll consider it for future releases.


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

luxspes wrote:

>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>> http://www.promptsql.com/

I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?



0

Hello Luxspes,

And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really simple.

Oleg Stepanov
Software Developer
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

luxspes wrote:

>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>> http://www.promptsql.com/

I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?



0

Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains) wrote:

Hello Luxspes,

And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really simple.

Hi!
Do you mean... a plug-in for VS.NET... or a plug-in for reshaper 2.0?


Oleg Stepanov
Software Developer
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>> luxspes wrote:
>>
>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>
>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?


0

Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:

Hello Luxspes,

this is not planned for 2.0 and is not something we considered
seriously. As always, if many users demand SQL support, we'll consider
it for future releases.


It would be great... right now, SQL is the "forgotten" language, no
intellisense, no refactoring, views and stored procedures grow old, and
make it really hard to fix design flaws (if you change a table, you have
to fix views and stored procedures, if you change a view, you have to
fix other views and stored procedures... change and stored procedure...
and the problem propagates to you UI code) I currently try to avoid SQL
coding as much as I can (using an object relational mapper), but
reporting tool (like cristal reports) a lot of times depend directly on
SQL making it really hard to refactor anything remotely "touched" by them...

Perhaps find a way to automate the activities described here:
http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/evodb.html

AFAIK there is no product focused in trying to make the evolution
of the design of a database easier...

There are "diagram" tools to do this kind of job, but generaly the focus
more on making it easy to draw an initial design... but after time
passes and a lot of SQL is bindend to the original structure (stored
procs, views, and other tables) it becomes harder, and harder to mantain
the database...

Imagine if you guys build a tool.. that for for example that would see
the database as an SQL Script:

CREATE TABLE ....
CREATE VIEW ...
CREATE PROCEDURE...

(of course that would be reverse engeneered from the database)

If someone edits a field of table, changes a parameter of stored proc,
modifies views, etc, etc the "SQLEvolver" would automatically modify the
dependedant artifacts.. the change could be inmmediatly applied to the
database, or saved as an SQL script to apply it later...

It would be a dream come true....





Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>> luxspes wrote:
>>
>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>
>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?


0

Hello Luxspes,

yes, I agree. Though I have no much experience in production SQL programming,
I remember that coding in Transact-SQL relatively long stored procedures
wasn't a joy.


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:

>> Hello Luxspes,
>>
>> this is not planned for 2.0 and is not something we considered
>> seriously. As always, if many users demand SQL support, we'll
>> consider it for future releases.
>>

It would be great... right now, SQL is the "forgotten" language, no
intellisense, no refactoring, views and stored procedures grow old,
and make it really hard to fix design flaws (if you change a table,
you have to fix views and stored procedures, if you change a view, you
have to fix other views and stored procedures... change and stored
procedure... and the problem propagates to you UI code) I currently
try to avoid SQL coding as much as I can (using an object relational
mapper), but reporting tool (like cristal reports) a lot of times
depend directly on SQL making it really hard to refactor anything
remotely "touched" by them...

Perhaps find a way to automate the activities described here:
http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/evodb.html

AFAIK there is no product focused in trying to make the evolution of
the design of a database easier...

There are "diagram" tools to do this kind of job, but generaly the
focus more on making it easy to draw an initial design... but after
time passes and a lot of SQL is bindend to the original structure
(stored procs, views, and other tables) it becomes harder, and harder
to mantain the database...

Imagine if you guys build a tool.. that for for example that would see
the database as an SQL Script:

CREATE TABLE ....
CREATE VIEW ...
CREATE PROCEDURE...
(of course that would be reverse engeneered from the database)

If someone edits a field of table, changes a parameter of stored proc,
modifies views, etc, etc the "SQLEvolver" would automatically modify
the dependedant artifacts.. the change could be inmmediatly applied to
the database, or saved as an SQL script to apply it later...

It would be a dream come true....

>> Regards,
>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>> luxspes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?


0

Hello Luxspes,

of couse you may write a VS add-in for that. But from the viewpoint of development
cost it will be much more effective to write a plug-in for ReSharper, as
ReSharper provides a
convenient infrastructure for this. We have a newsgroup 'jetbrains.resharper.openapi'
for duscussing
plugin development.


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains) wrote:

>> Hello Luxspes,
>>
>> And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really simple.
>>

Hi!
Do you mean... a plug-in for VS.NET... or a plug-in for reshaper 2.0?

>> Oleg Stepanov
>> Software Developer
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>> luxspes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?


0

Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:

Hello Luxspes,

of couse you may write a VS add-in for that. But from the viewpoint of
development
cost it will be much more effective to write a plug-in for ReSharper, as
ReSharper provides a
convenient infrastructure for this. We have a newsgroup
'jetbrains.resharper.openapi' for duscussing


Hi!
I would be really interested in discussing that... but I can not
subscribe to jetbrains.resharper.openapi ... my newsreader (Mozilla
Thunderbird) does not show it... i see jetbrains.omea.openapi and
jetbrains.intellij.openapi... but no jetbrains.resharper.openapi...
will it be available on Reshaper 2.0 release?

plugin development.


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>> Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>
>>> And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really simple.
>>>
>> Hi!
>> Do you mean... a plug-in for VS.NET... or a plug-in for reshaper 2.0?
>>
>>> Oleg Stepanov
>>> Software Developer
>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>
>>>> luxspes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>>>
>>>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>>>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?


0

Hello Luxspes,

actually it's an odd problem, this newsgroup has existed for a while already
and it is
available right now. It is hosted on the server news.intellij.net. Are you
sure you're subscribing
to this server? Also, can you access the corresponding Web forum via www.intellij.net?


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:

>> Hello Luxspes,
>>
>> of couse you may write a VS add-in for that. But from the viewpoint
>> of
>> development
>> cost it will be much more effective to write a plug-in for ReSharper,
>> as
>> ReSharper provides a
>> convenient infrastructure for this. We have a newsgroup
>> 'jetbrains.resharper.openapi' for duscussing

Hi!
I would be really interested in discussing that... but I can not
subscribe to jetbrains.resharper.openapi ... my newsreader (Mozilla
Thunderbird) does not show it... i see jetbrains.omea.openapi and
jetbrains.intellij.openapi... but no jetbrains.resharper.openapi...
will it be available on Reshaper 2.0 release?

>> plugin development.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>> Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>
>>>> And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really
>>>> simple.
>>>>
>>> Hi!
>>> Do you mean... a plug-in for VS.NET... or a plug-in for reshaper
>>> 2.0?
>>>> Oleg Stepanov
>>>> Software Developer
>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>> luxspes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>>>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>>>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>>>>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?


0

i'm just wondering, what's the problem with promptsql? i've used it, and
besides a couple glitches, it's pretty rad. if you ask me, these guys
have done a bang up job.

-r

Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:

Hello Luxspes,

actually it's an odd problem, this newsgroup has existed for a while
already and it is available right now. It is hosted on the server
news.intellij.net. Are you sure you're subscribing
to this server? Also, can you access the corresponding Web forum via
www.intellij.net?


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>
>>> of couse you may write a VS add-in for that. But from the viewpoint
>>> of
>>> development
>>> cost it will be much more effective to write a plug-in for ReSharper,
>>> as
>>> ReSharper provides a
>>> convenient infrastructure for this. We have a newsgroup
>>> 'jetbrains.resharper.openapi' for duscussing
>>
>> Hi!
>> I would be really interested in discussing that... but I can not
>> subscribe to jetbrains.resharper.openapi ... my newsreader (Mozilla
>> Thunderbird) does not show it... i see jetbrains.omea.openapi and
>> jetbrains.intellij.openapi... but no jetbrains.resharper.openapi...
>> will it be available on Reshaper 2.0 release?
>>
>>> plugin development.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>
>>>> Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>
>>>>> And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really
>>>>> simple.
>>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Do you mean... a plug-in for VS.NET... or a plug-in for reshaper
>>>> 2.0?
>>>>
>>>>> Oleg Stepanov
>>>>> Software Developer
>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>
>>>>>> luxspes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>>>>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>>>>>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?


0

Hello Ryan,

why do you think there is a problem with PromptSQL? We're just trying to
foster ReSharper's
plugin development.


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

i'm just wondering, what's the problem with promptsql? i've used it,
and besides a couple glitches, it's pretty rad. if you ask me, these
guys have done a bang up job.

-r

Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:

>> Hello Luxspes,
>>
>> actually it's an odd problem, this newsgroup has existed for a while
>> already and it is available right now. It is hosted on the server
>> news.intellij.net. Are you sure you're subscribing
>> to this server? Also, can you access the corresponding Web forum via
>> www.intellij.net?
>> Regards,
>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>
>>>> of couse you may write a VS add-in for that. But from the viewpoint
>>>> of
>>>> development
>>>> cost it will be much more effective to write a plug-in for
>>>> ReSharper,
>>>> as
>>>> ReSharper provides a
>>>> convenient infrastructure for this. We have a newsgroup
>>>> 'jetbrains.resharper.openapi' for duscussing
>>> Hi!
>>> I would be really interested in discussing that... but I can not
>>> subscribe to jetbrains.resharper.openapi ... my newsreader (Mozilla
>>> Thunderbird) does not show it... i see jetbrains.omea.openapi and
>>> jetbrains.intellij.openapi... but no jetbrains.resharper.openapi...
>>> will it be available on Reshaper 2.0 release?
>>>> plugin development.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>> Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really
>>>>>> simple.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Do you mean... a plug-in for VS.NET... or a plug-in for reshaper
>>>>> 2.0?
>>>>>> Oleg Stepanov
>>>>>> Software Developer
>>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>>> luxspes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>>>>>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>>>>>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>>>>>>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?


0

actually, promptsql tends to be a little jerky when it comes to its
intellisense, and it doesn't have intellisense in the sense that
resharper does, insofar as typing a letter and having intellisense kick in.

okay, now i understand the context of the thread. i was just wondering
why someone would want promptsql's intellisense to be built into
resharper, when prompsql already does a pretty good job, considering the
progress of their beta.

that said, i'm certain that there will be room for improvement. that's all.

-r



Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:

Hello Ryan,

why do you think there is a problem with PromptSQL? We're just trying to
foster ReSharper's
plugin development.


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>> i'm just wondering, what's the problem with promptsql? i've used it,
>> and besides a couple glitches, it's pretty rad. if you ask me, these
>> guys have done a bang up job.
>>
>> -r
>>
>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>
>>> actually it's an odd problem, this newsgroup has existed for a while
>>> already and it is available right now. It is hosted on the server
>>> news.intellij.net. Are you sure you're subscribing
>>> to this server? Also, can you access the corresponding Web forum via
>>> www.intellij.net?
>>> Regards,
>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>
>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>
>>>>> of couse you may write a VS add-in for that. But from the viewpoint
>>>>> of
>>>>> development
>>>>> cost it will be much more effective to write a plug-in for
>>>>> ReSharper,
>>>>> as
>>>>> ReSharper provides a
>>>>> convenient infrastructure for this. We have a newsgroup
>>>>> 'jetbrains.resharper.openapi' for duscussing
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>> I would be really interested in discussing that... but I can not
>>>> subscribe to jetbrains.resharper.openapi ... my newsreader (Mozilla
>>>> Thunderbird) does not show it... i see jetbrains.omea.openapi and
>>>> jetbrains.intellij.openapi... but no jetbrains.resharper.openapi...
>>>> will it be available on Reshaper 2.0 release?
>>>>
>>>>> plugin development.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really
>>>>>>> simple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> Do you mean... a plug-in for VS.NET... or a plug-in for reshaper
>>>>>> 2.0?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oleg Stepanov
>>>>>>> Software Developer
>>>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> luxspes wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>>>>>>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>>>>>>>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?


0

I think PromptSQL is a great idea, and I have nothing against it... that
is why I would like to know if it would be too hard to build a "full
fledged" refactoring tool like reshaper but for SQL... and since I like
a lot my copy of Reshaper... I thought it would be nice if version 2.0
could have a feature like this (maybe it did and the i didn't need to
buy PromptSQL)
I was also wondering, if SQL is by far older than C# and Java... why the
guys at intellij havent tried building a "special ide/tool" for
coding/refactoring SQL code?


Ryan Cammer wrote:

actually, promptsql tends to be a little jerky when it comes to its
intellisense, and it doesn't have intellisense in the sense that
resharper does, insofar as typing a letter and having intellisense kick in.

okay, now i understand the context of the thread. i was just wondering
why someone would want promptsql's intellisense to be built into
resharper, when prompsql already does a pretty good job, considering the
progress of their beta.

that said, i'm certain that there will be room for improvement. that's all.


0

Hello Luxspes,

I've never heard of any serious plans to build a refactoring tool for SQL. In
my opinion the idea is good, as SQL database code may need refactoring just
like application code. There are several issues though:

1) The market for such a tool is not as big as for Java/C# tool, as (at least
I suspect
so) there exist many more application developers than database developers.

2) There are SQL standards but most of SQL code is written in one of another
vendor-specific SQL extensions such as PL/SQL or Transact SQL. The tool will
need to
support all of them.

3) Database refactorings are inherently more involved than refactorings of
application code.
The reason is that generally speaking many applications may rely on a particular
structure
of the database. For instance, you cannot safely drop a column in a table
until you're sure that no
applications actually access it. How to check this automatically is not obvious.

I remember coming across a list of database refactorings in the Web. So may
be there are
evolving products that support them.

Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

I think PromptSQL is a great idea, and I have nothing against it...
that
is why I would like to know if it would be too hard to build a "full
fledged" refactoring tool like reshaper but for SQL... and since I
like
a lot my copy of Reshaper... I thought it would be nice if version 2.0
could have a feature like this (maybe it did and the i didn't need to
buy PromptSQL)
I was also wondering, if SQL is by far older than C# and Java... why
the
guys at intellij havent tried building a "special ide/tool" for
coding/refactoring SQL code?
Ryan Cammer wrote:

>> actually, promptsql tends to be a little jerky when it comes to its
>> intellisense, and it doesn't have intellisense in the sense that
>> resharper does, insofar as typing a letter and having intellisense
>> kick in.
>>
>> okay, now i understand the context of the thread. i was just
>> wondering why someone would want promptsql's intellisense to be built
>> into resharper, when prompsql already does a pretty good job,
>> considering the progress of their beta.
>>
>> that said, i'm certain that there will be room for improvement.
>> that's all.
>>


0

Hi Dimitry

Can you point me in the right direction to do this. I need a starting point.
I can't find anything about Intellisense in the samples, so I do not know
where to start.

I need to know, if the actual document is a SQL-document and I need an event
that is fired when the '.' is pressed on the keyboard.

Thanks
Michael


"Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains)" <dsha@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
news:c8a894d9b6b598c7bfdc97d912c6@news.intellij.net...

Hello Ryan,

>

why do you think there is a problem with PromptSQL? We're just trying to
foster ReSharper's
plugin development.

>
>

Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>
>> i'm just wondering, what's the problem with promptsql? i've used it,
>> and besides a couple glitches, it's pretty rad. if you ask me, these
>> guys have done a bang up job.
>>
>> -r
>>
>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>
>>> actually it's an odd problem, this newsgroup has existed for a while
>>> already and it is available right now. It is hosted on the server
>>> news.intellij.net. Are you sure you're subscribing
>>> to this server? Also, can you access the corresponding Web forum via
>>> www.intellij.net?
>>> Regards,
>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>
>>>>> of couse you may write a VS add-in for that. But from the viewpoint
>>>>> of
>>>>> development
>>>>> cost it will be much more effective to write a plug-in for
>>>>> ReSharper,
>>>>> as
>>>>> ReSharper provides a
>>>>> convenient infrastructure for this. We have a newsgroup
>>>>> 'jetbrains.resharper.openapi' for duscussing
>>>> Hi!
>>>> I would be really interested in discussing that... but I can not
>>>> subscribe to jetbrains.resharper.openapi ... my newsreader (Mozilla
>>>> Thunderbird) does not show it... i see jetbrains.omea.openapi and
>>>> jetbrains.intellij.openapi... but no jetbrains.resharper.openapi...
>>>> will it be available on Reshaper 2.0 release?
>>>>> plugin development.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>> Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really
>>>>>>> simple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> Do you mean... a plug-in for VS.NET... or a plug-in for reshaper
>>>>>> 2.0?
>>>>>>> Oleg Stepanov
>>>>>>> Software Developer
>>>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>>>> luxspes wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>>>>>>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>>>>>>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>>>>>>>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?
>



0

Hello Michael,

I'll do but could you please re-post this to the jetbrains.resharper.openapi
newsgroup?
Can you access it now?


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Hi Dimitry

Can you point me in the right direction to do this. I need a starting
point. I can't find anything about Intellisense in the samples, so I
do not know where to start.

I need to know, if the actual document is a SQL-document and I need an
event that is fired when the '.' is pressed on the keyboard.

Thanks
Michael
"Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains)" <dsha@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
news:c8a894d9b6b598c7bfdc97d912c6@news.intellij.net...

>> Hello Ryan,
>>
>> why do you think there is a problem with PromptSQL? We're just trying
>> to
>> foster ReSharper's
>> plugin development.
>> Regards,
>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>> i'm just wondering, what's the problem with promptsql? i've used it,
>>> and besides a couple glitches, it's pretty rad. if you ask me, these
>>> guys have done a bang up job.
>>>
>>> -r
>>>
>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>
>>>> actually it's an odd problem, this newsgroup has existed for a
>>>> while
>>>> already and it is available right now. It is hosted on the server
>>>> news.intellij.net. Are you sure you're subscribing
>>>> to this server? Also, can you access the corresponding Web forum
>>>> via
>>>> www.intellij.net?
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of couse you may write a VS add-in for that. But from the
>>>>>> viewpoint
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> cost it will be much more effective to write a plug-in for
>>>>>> ReSharper,
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> ReSharper provides a
>>>>>> convenient infrastructure for this. We have a newsgroup
>>>>>> 'jetbrains.resharper.openapi' for duscussing
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> I would be really interested in discussing that... but I can not
>>>>> subscribe to jetbrains.resharper.openapi ... my newsreader
>>>>> (Mozilla
>>>>> Thunderbird) does not show it... i see jetbrains.omea.openapi and
>>>>> jetbrains.intellij.openapi... but no
>>>>> jetbrains.resharper.openapi...
>>>>> will it be available on Reshaper 2.0 release?
>>>>>> plugin development.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>>> Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really
>>>>>>>> simple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> Do you mean... a plug-in for VS.NET... or a plug-in for reshaper
>>>>>>> 2.0?
>>>>>>>> Oleg Stepanov
>>>>>>>> Software Developer
>>>>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>>>>> luxspes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>>>>>>>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>>>>>>>>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?


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Hi Dimitry

Ok, I post it in the openapi.

I can access the openapi newsgroup from the beginning. I am not Luxspes,
it's him, who has the problem to get access.

Michael

"Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains)" <dsha@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
news:c8a894d9bbbdd8c7c32da3dfb6a2@news.intellij.net...

Hello Michael,

>

I'll do but could you please re-post this to the
jetbrains.resharper.openapi newsgroup?
Can you access it now?

>
>

Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>
>> Hi Dimitry
>>
>> Can you point me in the right direction to do this. I need a starting
>> point. I can't find anything about Intellisense in the samples, so I
>> do not know where to start.
>>
>> I need to know, if the actual document is a SQL-document and I need an
>> event that is fired when the '.' is pressed on the keyboard.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Michael
>> "Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains)" <dsha@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
>> news:c8a894d9b6b598c7bfdc97d912c6@news.intellij.net...
>>
>>> Hello Ryan,
>>>
>>> why do you think there is a problem with PromptSQL? We're just trying
>>> to
>>> foster ReSharper's
>>> plugin development.
>>> Regards,
>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>> i'm just wondering, what's the problem with promptsql? i've used it,
>>>> and besides a couple glitches, it's pretty rad. if you ask me, these
>>>> guys have done a bang up job.
>>>>
>>>> -r
>>>>
>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>
>>>>> actually it's an odd problem, this newsgroup has existed for a
>>>>> while
>>>>> already and it is available right now. It is hosted on the server
>>>>> news.intellij.net. Are you sure you're subscribing
>>>>> to this server? Also, can you access the corresponding Web forum
>>>>> via
>>>>> www.intellij.net?
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of couse you may write a VS add-in for that. But from the
>>>>>>> viewpoint
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>> cost it will be much more effective to write a plug-in for
>>>>>>> ReSharper,
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> ReSharper provides a
>>>>>>> convenient infrastructure for this. We have a newsgroup
>>>>>>> 'jetbrains.resharper.openapi' for duscussing
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> I would be really interested in discussing that... but I can not
>>>>>> subscribe to jetbrains.resharper.openapi ... my newsreader
>>>>>> (Mozilla
>>>>>> Thunderbird) does not show it... i see jetbrains.omea.openapi and
>>>>>> jetbrains.intellij.openapi... but no
>>>>>> jetbrains.resharper.openapi...
>>>>>> will it be available on Reshaper 2.0 release?
>>>>>>> plugin development.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>>>> Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really
>>>>>>>>> simple.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>> Do you mean... a plug-in for VS.NET... or a plug-in for reshaper
>>>>>>>> 2.0?
>>>>>>>>> Oleg Stepanov
>>>>>>>>> Software Developer
>>>>>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>>>>>> luxspes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>>>>>>>>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>>>>>>>>>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?
>



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Hello Michael,

OK, i'll see it. Sorry for confusion.


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Hi Dimitry

Ok, I post it in the openapi.

I can access the openapi newsgroup from the beginning. I am not
Luxspes, it's him, who has the problem to get access.

Michael

"Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains)" <dsha@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
news:c8a894d9bbbdd8c7c32da3dfb6a2@news.intellij.net...

>> Hello Michael,
>>
>> I'll do but could you please re-post this to the
>> jetbrains.resharper.openapi newsgroup?
>> Can you access it now?
>> Regards,
>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>> Hi Dimitry
>>>
>>> Can you point me in the right direction to do this. I need a
>>> starting point. I can't find anything about Intellisense in the
>>> samples, so I do not know where to start.
>>>
>>> I need to know, if the actual document is a SQL-document and I need
>>> an event that is fired when the '.' is pressed on the keyboard.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Michael
>>> "Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains)" <dsha@jetbrains.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:c8a894d9b6b598c7bfdc97d912c6@news.intellij.net...
>>>> Hello Ryan,
>>>>
>>>> why do you think there is a problem with PromptSQL? We're just
>>>> trying
>>>> to
>>>> foster ReSharper's
>>>> plugin development.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>> i'm just wondering, what's the problem with promptsql? i've used
>>>>> it, and besides a couple glitches, it's pretty rad. if you ask me,
>>>>> these guys have done a bang up job.
>>>>>
>>>>> -r
>>>>>
>>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> actually it's an odd problem, this newsgroup has existed for a
>>>>>> while
>>>>>> already and it is available right now. It is hosted on the server
>>>>>> news.intellij.net. Are you sure you're subscribing
>>>>>> to this server? Also, can you access the corresponding Web forum
>>>>>> via
>>>>>> www.intellij.net?
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of couse you may write a VS add-in for that. But from the
>>>>>>>> viewpoint
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>> cost it will be much more effective to write a plug-in for
>>>>>>>> ReSharper,
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> ReSharper provides a
>>>>>>>> convenient infrastructure for this. We have a newsgroup
>>>>>>>> 'jetbrains.resharper.openapi' for duscussing
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> I would be really interested in discussing that... but I can not
>>>>>>> subscribe to jetbrains.resharper.openapi ... my newsreader
>>>>>>> (Mozilla
>>>>>>> Thunderbird) does not show it... i see jetbrains.omea.openapi
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> jetbrains.intellij.openapi... but no
>>>>>>> jetbrains.resharper.openapi...
>>>>>>> will it be available on Reshaper 2.0 release?
>>>>>>>> plugin development.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>>>>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>>>>> Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Luxspes,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And, of couse, you can always write a plug-in ;). It's really
>>>>>>>>>> simple.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>> Do you mean... a plug-in for VS.NET... or a plug-in for
>>>>>>>>> reshaper
>>>>>>>>> 2.0?
>>>>>>>>>> Oleg Stepanov
>>>>>>>>>> Software Developer
>>>>>>>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>>>>>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>>>>>>>>> luxspes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will Reshaper 2.0 Do something like this for SQL?
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.promptsql.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> I mean... will Reshaper 2.0 have some kind of
>>>>>>>>>>> intellisense/refactoring for SQL projects?


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Hi!
Couldn't see it from Thunderbird...
Couldn't see it from Web...

AFAIK all the reshaper forums are listend in:
http://www.intellij.net/forums/index.jsp?cat=6

and the list is:
-ReSharper EAP
-Tracker: Resharper
-ReSharper EAP Announcements
-ReSharper Community

Exactly the same list I see in my newsreader
There is no mention of of anything like "jetbrains.resharper.openapi" or "Reshaper Openapi" or anything like that...

Perhaps I need to be set an special permission?


0

I have even tried "googleing" for "Reshaper Plugin"
or searching it in http://www.intellij.net/forums/search.jsp
but no luck...

0

Hello Luxspes,

it looks that strange for me, but OpenApi forum is really missing. I'll ping
our administrators
about that.

However, there
should be no problems accessing the corresponding newsgroup. Is anyone else
here
experiencing the same problem?


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

Hi!
Couldn't see it from Thunderbird...
Couldn't see it from Web...
AFAIK all the reshaper forums are listend in:
http://www.intellij.net/forums/index.jsp?cat=6
and the list is:
-ReSharper EAP
-Tracker: Resharper
-ReSharper EAP Announcements
-ReSharper Community
Exactly the same list I see in my newsreader
There is no mention of of anything like "jetbrains.resharper.openapi"
or "Reshaper Openapi" or anything like that...
Perhaps I need to be set an special permission?



0

Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:

Hello Luxspes,

it looks that strange for me, but OpenApi forum is really missing. I'll
ping our administrators
about that.


I hope it does not take to much time for your administrators to fix it...

However, there
should be no problems accessing the corresponding newsgroup.


For me... it is as invisible as the web based forum...

Is anyone

else here
experiencing the same problem?


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>> Hi!
>> Couldn't see it from Thunderbird...
>> Couldn't see it from Web...
>> AFAIK all the reshaper forums are listend in:
>> http://www.intellij.net/forums/index.jsp?cat=6
>> and the list is:
>> -ReSharper EAP
>> -Tracker: Resharper
>> -ReSharper EAP Announcements
>> -ReSharper Community
>> Exactly the same list I see in my newsreader
>> There is no mention of of anything like "jetbrains.resharper.openapi"
>> or "Reshaper Openapi" or anything like that...
>> Perhaps I need to be set an special permission?
>>


0

I decided to cheat... so I got into
\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\default\News
and edited the file "www.jetbrains.net.rc", and
added the line for the openapi newsgroup...
and... well... YES! it DOES exist...
Now... can you tell why I can not see it from thunderbird?
is this a special marketing tactic to make me buy omea? ;)





Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:

Hello Luxspes,

it looks that strange for me, but OpenApi forum is really missing. I'll
ping our administrators
about that.
However, there
should be no problems accessing the corresponding newsgroup. Is anyone
else here
experiencing the same problem?


Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>> Hi!
>> Couldn't see it from Thunderbird...
>> Couldn't see it from Web...
>> AFAIK all the reshaper forums are listend in:
>> http://www.intellij.net/forums/index.jsp?cat=6
>> and the list is:
>> -ReSharper EAP
>> -Tracker: Resharper
>> -ReSharper EAP Announcements
>> -ReSharper Community
>> Exactly the same list I see in my newsreader
>> There is no mention of of anything like "jetbrains.resharper.openapi"
>> or "Reshaper Openapi" or anything like that...
>> Perhaps I need to be set an special permission?
>>


0

Hello Luxspes,

I'm really using Omea for newsgroup reading and have never had problems
accessing this newsgroup. But surely it should be visible in other client
programs
as well. I've asked administrators about this too.

Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

I decided to cheat... so I got into
\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\default\News
and edited the file "www.jetbrains.net.rc", and
added the line for the openapi newsgroup...
and... well... YES! it DOES exist...
Now... can you tell why I can not see it from thunderbird?
is this a special marketing tactic to make me buy omea? ;)
Dmitry Shaporenkov (JetBrains) wrote:

>> Hello Luxspes,
>>
>> it looks that strange for me, but OpenApi forum is really missing.
>> I'll
>> ping our administrators
>> about that.
>> However, there
>> should be no problems accessing the corresponding newsgroup. Is
>> anyone
>> else here
>> experiencing the same problem?
>> Regards,
>> Dmitry Shaporenkov
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>> Hi!
>>> Couldn't see it from Thunderbird...
>>> Couldn't see it from Web...
>>> AFAIK all the reshaper forums are listend in:
>>> http://www.intellij.net/forums/index.jsp?cat=6
>>> and the list is:
>>> -ReSharper EAP
>>> -Tracker: Resharper
>>> -ReSharper EAP Announcements
>>> -ReSharper Community
>>> Exactly the same list I see in my newsreader
>>> There is no mention of of anything like
>>> "jetbrains.resharper.openapi"
>>> or "Reshaper Openapi" or anything like that...
>>> Perhaps I need to be set an special permission?


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