Question about the intellisense.

Why does Resharper try to add it's own intellisense? Not to put down the
product, but it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing intellisense
and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to have a
'Completely dissable intellisense' feature at least until the intellisense
is more ironed out. Just a thought.


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it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing intellisense


I personally cannot agree but it's better seen by our users probably...

and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to have

a

1. Could you provide some more details about our code completion's slowness?
How slow it is, does it happen always or only sometimes. Any details could
be helpful.
2. Which bugs do you mean? Could you please submit them? We fix almost all
bugs reported into the tracker.

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http://www.jetbrains.com
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"Derek" <derek@btacinc.com> wrote in message
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Why does Resharper try to add it's own intellisense? Not to put down the
product, but it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing intellisense
and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to have

a

'Completely dissable intellisense' feature at least until the intellisense
is more ironed out. Just a thought.

>
>


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I've reported several times my problems with the code completion .It does
not work right. Plain and simple. It does not offer documentation
comments/descriptions, it does not work with the scroll wheel, it does not
go away usually after clicking on an item, it is VERY slow and flickers
constantly on every machine I have tried it on. I usually have to turn all
the completion features off completely to make ANY progress with anything.
The intellisense has been THE most cumbersome feature I have ever used in a
program. However since I can turn it off, I've never complained much. I love
all the features, but I think the intellisense is just ...a useless
addition. I'm not meaning to sound harsh, however I am a little frustrated
that this feature is, for SOME reason, seen as important, when I can not
find anything it offers.

"Valentin Kipiatkov (JetBrains)" <valentin@intellij.com> wrote in message
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>> it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing intellisense
>

I personally cannot agree but it's better seen by our users probably...

>
>> and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to
>> have

a

>

1. Could you provide some more details about our code completion's
slowness?
How slow it is, does it happen always or only sometimes. Any details could
be helpful.
2. Which bugs do you mean? Could you please submit them? We fix almost all
bugs reported into the tracker.

>

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>
>

"Derek" <derek@btacinc.com> wrote in message
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>> Why does Resharper try to add it's own intellisense? Not to put down the
>> product, but it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing intellisense
>> and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to
>> have

a

>> 'Completely dissable intellisense' feature at least until the
>> intellisense
>> is more ironed out. Just a thought.
>>
>>
>



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I've reported several times my problems with the code completion .It does
not work right. Plain and simple. It does not offer documentation
comments/descriptions, it does not work with the scroll wheel, it does not
go away usually after clicking on an item, it is VERY slow and flickers
constantly on every machine I have tried it on. I usually have to turn all
the completion features off completely to make ANY progress with anything.


We hope to solve most of the above problems in the release version.
BTW what do you mean by "slow and flickers"? What is slow? When does it
flickers and how?

The intellisense has been THE most cumbersome feature I have ever used in

a

program. However since I can turn it off, I've never complained much. I

love

all the features, but I think the intellisense is just ...a useless
addition. I'm not meaning to sound harsh, however I am a little frustrated
that this feature is, for SOME reason, seen as important, when I can not
find anything it offers.


Hmm... Do other guys here think similar?

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


"Derek" <derek@btacinc.com> wrote in message
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I've reported several times my problems with the code completion .It does
not work right. Plain and simple. It does not offer documentation
comments/descriptions, it does not work with the scroll wheel, it does not
go away usually after clicking on an item, it is VERY slow and flickers
constantly on every machine I have tried it on. I usually have to turn all
the completion features off completely to make ANY progress with anything.
The intellisense has been THE most cumbersome feature I have ever used in

a

program. However since I can turn it off, I've never complained much. I

love

all the features, but I think the intellisense is just ...a useless
addition. I'm not meaning to sound harsh, however I am a little frustrated
that this feature is, for SOME reason, seen as important, when I can not
find anything it offers.

>

"Valentin Kipiatkov (JetBrains)" <valentin@intellij.com> wrote in message
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>> it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing intellisense
>

I personally cannot agree but it's better seen by our users probably...

>
>> and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to
>> have

a

>

1. Could you provide some more details about our code completion's
slowness?
How slow it is, does it happen always or only sometimes. Any details

could

be helpful.
2. Which bugs do you mean? Could you please submit them? We fix almost

all

bugs reported into the tracker.

>

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>
>

"Derek" <derek@btacinc.com> wrote in message
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>> Why does Resharper try to add it's own intellisense? Not to put down

the

>> product, but it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing

intellisense

>> and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to
>> have

a

>> 'Completely dissable intellisense' feature at least until the
>> intellisense
>> is more ironed out. Just a thought.
>>
>>
>
>

>
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Let me rephrase before people begin to label me as flaming or whatnot.

The ideas are very good, but I think that the communication between tester
and developer is having some issues here.

By "Flickering" I mean that it just constantly flashes when I try to scroll
the window.

It also does not retain focus. Even when you click on an item inside the
list of intellisense items, the scrollwheel continues to effect the main
code window instead of the intellisense window.

As stated, the lack of commenting is in dire need of being added, but that's
been addressed and I know it's coming.

"Valentin Kipiatkov (JetBrains)" <valentin@intellij.com> wrote in message
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>> I've reported several times my problems with the code completion .It does
>> not work right. Plain and simple. It does not offer documentation
>> comments/descriptions, it does not work with the scroll wheel, it does
>> not
>> go away usually after clicking on an item, it is VERY slow and flickers
>> constantly on every machine I have tried it on. I usually have to turn
>> all
>> the completion features off completely to make ANY progress with
>> anything.
>

We hope to solve most of the above problems in the release version.
BTW what do you mean by "slow and flickers"? What is slow? When does it
flickers and how?

>
>> The intellisense has been THE most cumbersome feature I have ever used in

a

>> program. However since I can turn it off, I've never complained much. I

love

>> all the features, but I think the intellisense is just ...a useless
>> addition. I'm not meaning to sound harsh, however I am a little
>> frustrated
>> that this feature is, for SOME reason, seen as important, when I can not
>> find anything it offers.
>

Hmm... Do other guys here think similar?

>

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>
>

"Derek" <derek@btacinc.com> wrote in message
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>> I've reported several times my problems with the code completion .It does
>> not work right. Plain and simple. It does not offer documentation
>> comments/descriptions, it does not work with the scroll wheel, it does
>> not
>> go away usually after clicking on an item, it is VERY slow and flickers
>> constantly on every machine I have tried it on. I usually have to turn
>> all
>> the completion features off completely to make ANY progress with
>> anything.
>> The intellisense has been THE most cumbersome feature I have ever used in

a

>> program. However since I can turn it off, I've never complained much. I

love

>> all the features, but I think the intellisense is just ...a useless
>> addition. I'm not meaning to sound harsh, however I am a little
>> frustrated
>> that this feature is, for SOME reason, seen as important, when I can not
>> find anything it offers.
>>
>> "Valentin Kipiatkov (JetBrains)" <valentin@intellij.com> wrote in message
>> news:c7u0dr$u3i$1@is.intellij.net...
>> >> it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing intellisense
>> >
>> > I personally cannot agree but it's better seen by our users probably...
>> >
>> >> and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to
>> >> have
>> > a
>> >
>> > 1. Could you provide some more details about our code completion's
>> > slowness?
>> > How slow it is, does it happen always or only sometimes. Any details

could

>> > be helpful.
>> > 2. Which bugs do you mean? Could you please submit them? We fix almost

all

>> > bugs reported into the tracker.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Valentin Kipiatkov
>> > Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
>> > JetBrains, Inc
>> > http://www.jetbrains.com
>> > "Develop with pleasure!"
>> >
>> >
>> > "Derek" <derek@btacinc.com> wrote in message
>> > news:c7tuf0$j10$1@is.intellij.net...
>> >> Why does Resharper try to add it's own intellisense? Not to put down

the

>> >> product, but it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing

intellisense

>> >> and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to
>> >> have
>> > a
>> >> 'Completely dissable intellisense' feature at least until the
>> >> intellisense
>> >> is more ironed out. Just a thought.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>



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Derek,

Since we're not on the final stage of development, most of the time will
be paid to improving stability and usablity of features. Since code
compleiton is one of the main features it's very important to make it work
right and not make users turn it off. Let's discuss all problems one by one:

1) Slowness.
Is it really slow and when? On systems I worked on it normally took
teens of milliseconds to appear (even on PIII notebook with 256 RAM). Could
you specify when it is slow (normal code completion, smartype, etc.) and in
what context?
2) Flicker
What do you mean by flicker? Last builds seem to show lookup
smoothly without any flicker. Have you tried code completion in them?
3) Problems with mouse
Yes, we know about these problems and do our best to fix them asap.
4) Comments
Parsing and showing comments is planned for release. Please expect
it implemented soon.
4) Anything I missed?...

And again thank you very much for your support and reports. Your help
invaluable for making the good product.

--
Oleg Stepanov
Software Developer
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


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Hello Derek,

D> Why does Resharper try to add it's own intellisense? Not to put down
D> the product, but it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing
D> intellisense and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It
D> would be nice to have a 'Completely dissable intellisense' feature
D> at least until the intellisense is more ironed out. Just a thought.

Personally, I find intellisense to be one of the main reasons I use Resharper, and a huge time-saver. Last time I checked, Visual Studio didn't have smart-type completion (automatically substituting variables only of proper type in method calls and other places), class name completion (which shows a list of all classes in the project and automatically inserts using statements as needed), variable name completion (which automatically suggests variable names after I enter the type of the variable and press Ctrl-Space).

If you use only the list which pops up after the dot, you really won't see any of these very powerful and time-saving features. You need to press Ctrl-Space, Ctrl-Shift-Space or Ctrl-Alt-Space explicitly to get them.

I do agree with you that there are some performance and interface issues (like mouse scrolling), but the usefulness of the features far outweighs the problems for me.

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Dmitry Jemerov
OmniaMea Project Leader
JetBrains, Inc.
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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Of course I meant that we ARE on the final stage of development.

--
Oleg Stepanov
Software Developer
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"
"Oleg Stepanov (JetBrains)" <Oleg.Stepanov@JetBrains.Com> wrote in message
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Derek,

>

Since we're not on the final stage of development, most of the time

will

be paid to improving stability and usablity of features. Since code
compleiton is one of the main features it's very important to make it work
right and not make users turn it off. Let's discuss all problems one by

one:
>

1) Slowness.
Is it really slow and when? On systems I worked on it normally

took

teens of milliseconds to appear (even on PIII notebook with 256 RAM).

Could

you specify when it is slow (normal code completion, smartype, etc.) and

in

what context?
2) Flicker
What do you mean by flicker? Last builds seem to show lookup
smoothly without any flicker. Have you tried code completion in them?
3) Problems with mouse
Yes, we know about these problems and do our best to fix them

asap.

4) Comments
Parsing and showing comments is planned for release. Please expect
it implemented soon.
4) Anything I missed?...

>

And again thank you very much for your support and reports. Your help
invaluable for making the good product.

>

--
Oleg Stepanov
Software Developer
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>
>


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I could not disagree more. The built in intellisense is crap. Its "go to
declaration" often goes to the wrong place. And the worst part is it
constantly just stops working for me and I have to quit the IDE delete all
the obj directories in my tree and recompile to get it back. I hate it and
the first release of resharper was infinitely better.

"Derek" <derek@btacinc.com> wrote in message
news:c7tuf0$j10$1@is.intellij.net...

Why does Resharper try to add it's own intellisense? Not to put down the
product, but it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing intellisense
and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to have

a

'Completely dissable intellisense' feature at least until the intellisense
is more ironed out. Just a thought.

>
>


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ReSharper's Intellisense looks very unprofessional and blurry on every
monitor I have tried. The fonts are large ( about 14 pt ) and there is never
enough room for the names in that itty bitty little box that pops up. The
options do absolutely nothing, the scrolling, again, does not work, and the
scrollwheel doesn't work on it right. I'm VERY sorry but I just cannot see
WHAT is better about it. I've NEVER had Visual Studio.NET's built in
Intellisense crash on me. Not one single time.
I'm all for improving it, however when I try to report a bug, all that
happens is everyone wants to know every detail about it. I understand why,
of course, being a developer. But the point that no one seems to understand
is that it is not a sporadic or recurring problem, it is a constant problem
that happens '100% of the time'. Again. To this day, since build 65 or so, I
have been totally and completely hindered by Resharper's Intellisense. It
has offered me absolutely nothing to make me want to even turn it back on
( and I try it for a day or so with each new release to see if it's
improved ). I "UNDERSTAND" that it is in development, which is why I'm going
to continue to wait and help and contribute everything I can. I'm merely
stating my opinion of the feature...

"Tom Wagner" <Tom.Wagner@work.forbesfield.com> wrote in message
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>I could not disagree more. The built in intellisense is crap. Its "go to

declaration" often goes to the wrong place. And the worst part is it
constantly just stops working for me and I have to quit the IDE delete all
the obj directories in my tree and recompile to get it back. I hate it
and
the first release of resharper was infinitely better.

>

"Derek" <derek@btacinc.com> wrote in message
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>> Why does Resharper try to add it's own intellisense? Not to put down the
>> product, but it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing intellisense
>> and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to
>> have

a

>> 'Completely dissable intellisense' feature at least until the
>> intellisense
>> is more ironed out. Just a thought.
>>
>>
>



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Also, please don't think I'm in any way expecting immediate resolution of
this problem. I know how hard this is, and I was merely giving my two cents
worth. I have full faith that it will be good in the end, but knowing the
users frustrations in the development can lend a lot of things to a project.

"Derek" <derek@btacinc.com> wrote in message
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ReSharper's Intellisense looks very unprofessional and blurry on every
monitor I have tried. The fonts are large ( about 14 pt ) and there is
never enough room for the names in that itty bitty little box that pops
up. The options do absolutely nothing, the scrolling, again, does not
work, and the scrollwheel doesn't work on it right. I'm VERY sorry but I
just cannot see WHAT is better about it. I've NEVER had Visual
Studio.NET's built in Intellisense crash on me. Not one single time.
I'm all for improving it, however when I try to report a bug, all that
happens is everyone wants to know every detail about it. I understand why,
of course, being a developer. But the point that no one seems to
understand is that it is not a sporadic or recurring problem, it is a
constant problem that happens '100% of the time'. Again. To this day,
since build 65 or so, I have been totally and completely hindered by
Resharper's Intellisense. It has offered me absolutely nothing to make me
want to even turn it back on ( and I try it for a day or so with each new
release to see if it's improved ). I "UNDERSTAND" that it is in
development, which is why I'm going to continue to wait and help and
contribute everything I can. I'm merely stating my opinion of the
feature...

>

"Tom Wagner" <Tom.Wagner@work.forbesfield.com> wrote in message
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>>I could not disagree more. The built in intellisense is crap. Its "go to
>> declaration" often goes to the wrong place. And the worst part is it
>> constantly just stops working for me and I have to quit the IDE delete
>> all
>> the obj directories in my tree and recompile to get it back. I hate it
>> and
>> the first release of resharper was infinitely better.
>>
>> "Derek" <derek@btacinc.com> wrote in message
>> news:c7tuf0$j10$1@is.intellij.net...
>>> Why does Resharper try to add it's own intellisense? Not to put down the
>>> product, but it offers nothing over Visual Studio's existing
>>> intellisense
>>> and is far, far more cumbersome, slow, and buggy. It would be nice to
>>> have
>> a
>>> 'Completely dissable intellisense' feature at least until the
>>> intellisense
>>> is more ironed out. Just a thought.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>



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>I could not disagree more. The built in intellisense is crap. Its "go to

declaration" often goes to the wrong place. And the worst part is it
constantly just stops working for me and I have to quit the IDE delete all
the obj directories in my tree and recompile to get it back. I hate it and
the first release of resharper was infinitely better.


same feeling here.
Only thing I can agree with Derek is that Resharper intellisense needs some polishing
(e.g. mouse clicks often leave intellisense window open). At some point I hope we would be able to define our own colors/fonts..
Other than that, it beats built in intellisens in any tother area.
I don't know how he can even comment on this when (as he states) he is not even using it regulary...
..in dutch we have a saying about this:
"wat de boer niet kent eet 'ie niet", which basically means:
"farmer doesn't eat things that are new to him"..
So, Derek, turn re# intellisense on, use to live with some little quirks it has, and you'll love it..

-j


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I have to admit that I easilly got used to re# intellisense, cause it behaves simillar to Idea's intellisense,
so, basic/smart/class/parameter completion/info is pretty much "stamped" in my brains..

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One doesn't need to use a tool for very long to know if it is not working
for him. Quit attacking others. These message boards are for people's
opinions, not your comments on the people themselves. I've grown rather
tired of having to defend myself on this board, can you people not get lives
and just test the program instead of accusing others for things? I've yet to
hear any of the Developers tell me not to give my honest input, and until I
hear otherwise, I'll continue to do so.

"jjooee" <jjooeeN_0_S_P_A_M@machak.com> wrote in message
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I have to admit that I easilly got used to re# intellisense, cause it
behaves simillar to Idea's intellisense,
so, basic/smart/class/parameter completion/info is pretty much "stamped" in
my brains..


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One doesn't need to use a tool for very long to know if it is not working
for him. Quit attacking others. These message boards are for people's
opinions, not your comments on the people themselves. I've grown rather
tired of having to defend myself on this board, can you people not get lives
and just test the program instead of accusing others for things? I've yet to
hear any of the Developers tell me not to give my honest input, and until I
hear otherwise, I'll continue to do so.



I don't think anybody is attcking you, and, if you know
Jetbrains/JetbrainsBoards bit more, you'll see a lot of heated discussions.
If I think/feel something sucks, I certainly say so, and you should do so as wel.
The fact that my opinion may be different than yours, and my freedom to say so, remains.
Anyway, if it makes you feel better, and if you feel attacked,
I can live without commenting any of your postings,
relax,
-j





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My 2 cents.

First cent. Ideas behind r# intellisense are great.
Second cent. Implementation is far from being good.

Explanation.

  • I don't have IDEA experience, and for me it is type-speed-slower to think about correct combo: Ctrl-Space, Ctrl-Alt-Space, Ctrl-Shift-Space. And I can't understand logic behind smart complete, so I tend not to use it until there are too many options in basic complete. I try it all the time, but to this moment I never can guess when to use it and what I will be presented with. So this ends with trying all combos instantly, completely killing time-savings.

  • Initial position when complete window opens doesn't remember last member of type I used recently.

  • Icons tell me nothing, I have to learn color codes, because icons shape is all the same.

  • Alignment of completion window is wrong - compare with VS's, it alignes suggestions in list with caret position, not icons or upper-left corner of window.

  • Method tooltips don't take into account current using directives, and thus uses full type names in parameters, thus making it long and unreadable.

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It would be nice to be able to customize the icons displayed in intellisense
and the fonts and such used. Just a thought. Though that wouldn't be a
performance issue.

"Ilya Ryzhenkov" <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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My 2 cents.

>

First cent. Ideas behind r# intellisense are great.
Second cent. Implementation is far from being good.

>

Explanation.

  • I don't have IDEA experience, and for me it is type-speed-slower to

think about correct combo: Ctrl-Space, Ctrl-Alt-Space, Ctrl-Shift-Space.
And I can't understand logic behind smart complete, so I tend not to use
it until there are too many options in basic complete. I try it all the
time, but to this moment I never can guess when to use it and what I will
be presented with. So this ends with trying all combos instantly,
completely killing time-savings.

>

  • Initial position when complete window opens doesn't remember last member

of type I used recently.

>

  • Icons tell me nothing, I have to learn color codes, because icons shape

is all the same.

>

  • Alignment of completion window is wrong - compare with VS's, it alignes

suggestions in list with caret position, not icons or upper-left corner of
window.

>

  • Method tooltips don't take into account current using directives, and

thus uses full type names in parameters, thus making it long and
unreadable.



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  • I don't have IDEA experience, and for me it is type-speed-slower to

think about correct combo: Ctrl-Space, Ctrl-Alt-Space, Ctrl-Shift-Space. And
I can't understand logic behind smart complete, so I tend not to use it
until there are too many options in basic complete. I try it all the time,
but to this moment I never can guess when to use it and what I will be
presented with. So this ends with trying all combos instantly, completely
killing time-savings.

They are quite easy to learn and use in fact.

Ctrl-Space - most general case. You may normally use it. Similar to code
completion in VS as well as in many other IDE's.

Ctrl-Alt-Space - Since Ctrl-Space completion shows only types that are
imported by existing using directives (otherwise the list will be too big
and not convenient to use), we have another shortcut which allows to
complete name of any type and inserts appropriate using directive if
required. Normally you press Ctrl-Space, don't see desired type in the list
and then press Ctrl-Alt-Space do get a wider list.

Ctrl-Shift-Space - Use it if the symbol which you want to use should give
you a value of the type which is expected by the context. So in the
following example:

Foo(bar.SomeValue);

you may use Ctrl-Shift-Space completion to complete "SomeValue" but not to
complete "bar". Did you catch the idea?

>

  • Initial position when complete window opens doesn't remember last member

of type I used recently.

I could not reproduce it. I take variable of some type (which I never used
before), type it's name,.dot, invoke code completion and choose some method.
Then do this again. The method gets preselected.
Could you please provide steps to reproduce the bug?

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  • Icons tell me nothing, I have to learn color codes, because icons shape

is all the same.

In fact they differ not only by the color but also by letters inside.
Anyway, we'll try to importve them.

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  • Alignment of completion window is wrong - compare with VS's, it alignes

suggestions in list with caret position, not icons or upper-left corner of
window.

We'll fix that.

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  • Method tooltips don't take into account current using directives, and

thus uses full type names in parameters, thus making it long and unreadable.

We'll fix that as well.

P.S. Thanks for your helpful feedback!

--
Valentin Kipiatkov
Chief Scientist, Vice President of Product Development
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

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"Ilya Ryzhenkov" <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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My 2 cents.

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First cent. Ideas behind r# intellisense are great.
Second cent. Implementation is far from being good.

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Explanation.

  • I don't have IDEA experience, and for me it is type-speed-slower to

think about correct combo: Ctrl-Space, Ctrl-Alt-Space, Ctrl-Shift-Space. And
I can't understand logic behind smart complete, so I tend not to use it
until there are too many options in basic complete. I try it all the time,
but to this moment I never can guess when to use it and what I will be
presented with. So this ends with trying all combos instantly, completely
killing time-savings.
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  • Initial position when complete window opens doesn't remember last member

of type I used recently.
>

  • Icons tell me nothing, I have to learn color codes, because icons shape

is all the same.
>

  • Alignment of completion window is wrong - compare with VS's, it alignes

suggestions in list with caret position, not icons or upper-left corner of
window.
>

  • Method tooltips don't take into account current using directives, and

thus uses full type names in parameters, thus making it long and unreadable.
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Thanks for explanation. For code completion it's just learning curve, but it's still important.

Method preselection didn't work when I tried it, right before posting. I can't remember exact case. If I find one - I will tell you.

Letters inside icons are NOT visible. It just colored shape with "something" inside. Probably that's just because my bad eyes. I instantly recognize VS icons, though. If you could do "compatibility" mode, when font, icons and colors would same as in VS (except some bolding and such) - that would be great.

P.S. Keep up good work :) I have a lot more ideas for you :))

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Personally, I detest VS icons. I've been using Visual Studio for several
years and could not learn any icons except COM interface and C# namespace.
As to ReSharper icons, I need to remember only simple geometric shape and
color: circle for type; square for other type member; grey circle = enum,
green circle = interface etc. IMO, ReSharper icons are organized into simple
and easy-to-remember system, while VS icons seem, well, a "loosely coupled"
set of images.

--
Andrey Simanovsky
Software Developer
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"



"Ilya Ryzhenkov" <no_mail@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for explanation. For code completion it's just learning curve, but

it's still important.
>

Method preselection didn't work when I tried it, right before posting. I

can't remember exact case. If I find one - I will tell you.
>

Letters inside icons are NOT visible. It just colored shape with

"something" inside. Probably that's just because my bad eyes. I instantly
recognize VS icons, though. If you could do "compatibility" mode, when font,
icons and colors would same as in VS (except some bolding and such) - that
would be great.
>

P.S. Keep up good work :) I have a lot more ideas for you :))

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>I'm VERY sorry but I just cannot see WHAT is better about it.

WHAT is better about it is that it works. I don't care if it is ugly (which
it isn't for me -- looks fine on my monitor). It completes when I ask it
to, giving me the proper choices. The built in Intellisense stops working
for me. I don't know what causes it, I just know that it stops working. The
same happens to my colleagues. It simply stops working. You can ask it to
complete all day and it will not do so, it acts as if Intellisense is turned
off. So given the choice of Intellisense which doesn't work and ReSharper
which works better but is maybe a bit ugly, I'll go with ReSharper. Plus
ReSharper gives me smart completion and live templates.

It sounds like you are having bigger problems with ReSharper than others.
I'm guessing this is why they keep asking for more information. Believe me,
whatever problems you are having, I am not. Maybe it is something about the
way you use it or something else you have installed that I don't. Scrolling
works for me, though I tend to use the keyboard. I don't know which options
don't work for you, but they all the ones I've tweaked have worked for me.

Now, I used Idea for a long time before switching to C#, so ReSharper "comes
naturally" for me. Perhaps the EAP is not the time for you to be using
ReSharper. Wait till it is a fully released product, with complete
documentation, and I'd be surprised if you didn't see the amazing
improvements it offers over the built in abilities of VS that I can already
see today.

-Tom


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