Follow-up to Resharper 3.1?

We're currently still on the 2.5x version of Reshaper where I work, using
Visual Studio 2005.

We're about to upgrade to Visual Studio 2008, which requires that we'll need
to update Resharper.

We've actually lost a lot of Resharper developers who work on ASP.NET and
Website projects, because of performance. It's also my understanding that
the released version of 3.1 still has significant performance problems in
this area which have been fixed (or at least reduced) in the unreleased
nightly builds.

We also plan to go to 4.0 as soon as it's out, due to the fact we'll soon be
using .Net 3.5 framework and C# 3.0 language features.

My questions are this:

  • When is the follow up bug-fix, performance-improved version of the 3.x

series going to be released?

  • If we go ahead and get the licenses for this next 3.x release, the update

to 4.x is free, right?

Really, I have to say that performance in ASP.NET and Website projects, and
LARGER projects in general, is really critical to my fellow developer's
acceptance of this tool. They all loved it for what it did, but over half
ended up having to install it due to frustrations with performance, load
times, etc. This is why I don't even want anyone to look at 3.x until that
web-site parsing bug and the "color coding" performance bug are both fixed.
We have some older machines here, and we're all running Vista, so
performance problems can really stand out.

I would like to be able to get the lapsed resharper developers back on the
horse. And since we're going to VS2008 sometime around the end of this
month, or early next month, getting that enhanced version of 3.x out is
pretty important to me.

Thanks!

- Paul

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Hello Paul,

  • ReSharper 3 will have one more bugfix release sometime around ReSharper

4 release, so if you are going to move to ReSharper 4 you don't have to worry
about ReSharper 3 anymore.

  • If you purchase upgrade from 2.5 to 3.1 these days, licenses will work

with ReSharper 4. Or you can upgrade directly to v4 later, if performance
of current unreleased nightly builds of v3 is unacceptable.

As for ReSharper slowness with large ASP.NET projects, the problem is known
and has been reduced in ReSharper 4, but not completely eliminated. Did you
try ReSharper 4 nightly builds with your sites?

Sincerely,
Ilya Ryzhenkov

JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


PB> We're currently still on the 2.5x version of Reshaper where I work,
PB> using Visual Studio 2005.
PB>
PB> We're about to upgrade to Visual Studio 2008, which requires that
PB> we'll need to update Resharper.
PB>
PB> We've actually lost a lot of Resharper developers who work on
PB> ASP.NET and Website projects, because of performance. It's also my
PB> understanding that the released version of 3.1 still has significant
PB> performance problems in this area which have been fixed (or at least
PB> reduced) in the unreleased nightly builds.
PB>
PB> We also plan to go to 4.0 as soon as it's out, due to the fact we'll
PB> soon be using .Net 3.5 framework and C# 3.0 language features.
PB>
PB> My questions are this:
PB>
PB> * When is the follow up bug-fix, performance-improved version of
PB> the 3.x series going to be released?
PB>
PB> * If we go ahead and get the licenses for this next 3.x release,
PB> the update to 4.x is free, right?
PB>
PB> Really, I have to say that performance in ASP.NET and Website
PB> projects, and LARGER projects in general, is really critical to my
PB> fellow developer's acceptance of this tool. They all loved it for
PB> what it did, but over half ended up having to install it due to
PB> frustrations with performance, load times, etc. This is why I don't
PB> even want anyone to look at 3.x until that web-site parsing bug and
PB> the "color coding" performance bug are both fixed. We have some
PB> older machines here, and we're all running Vista, so performance
PB> problems can really stand out.
PB>
PB> I would like to be able to get the lapsed resharper developers back
PB> on the horse. And since we're going to VS2008 sometime around the
PB> end of this month, or early next month, getting that enhanced
PB> version of 3.x out is pretty important to me.
PB>
PB> Thanks!
PB>
PB> - Paul
PB>


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The problem is, we're moving to VS2008 in about two weeks. I was hoping the
fixes for Resharper 3.x would be released pretty soon. It seems like
they're just laying fallow right now... and I don't want to suggest people
update to 3.1 and get turned off all over again at the poor performance. We
can't wait for 4.x to come out.

So there's no change 3.x fixes will be released soon?

Is your best suggestion that I have everyone install the latest nightly
build, then?


"Ilya Ryzhenkov" <orangy@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
news:76a2bd0b1535478ca589ebd70d8fb@news.intellij.net...

Hello Paul,

>

  • ReSharper 3 will have one more bugfix release sometime around ReSharper

4 release, so if you are going to move to ReSharper 4 you don't have to
worry about ReSharper 3 anymore. * If you purchase upgrade from 2.5 to 3.1
these days, licenses will work with ReSharper 4. Or you can upgrade
directly to v4 later, if performance of current unreleased nightly builds
of v3 is unacceptable.

>

As for ReSharper slowness with large ASP.NET projects, the problem is
known and has been reduced in ReSharper 4, but not completely eliminated.
Did you try ReSharper 4 nightly builds with your sites?

>

Sincerely,
Ilya Ryzhenkov

>

JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>
>

PB> We're currently still on the 2.5x version of Reshaper where I work,
PB> using Visual Studio 2005.
PB> PB> We're about to upgrade to Visual Studio 2008, which requires that
PB> we'll need to update Resharper.
PB> PB> We've actually lost a lot of Resharper developers who work on
PB> ASP.NET and Website projects, because of performance. It's also my
PB> understanding that the released version of 3.1 still has significant
PB> performance problems in this area which have been fixed (or at least
PB> reduced) in the unreleased nightly builds.
PB> PB> We also plan to go to 4.0 as soon as it's out, due to the fact
we'll
PB> soon be using .Net 3.5 framework and C# 3.0 language features.
PB> PB> My questions are this:
PB> PB> * When is the follow up bug-fix, performance-improved version of
PB> the 3.x series going to be released?
PB> PB> * If we go ahead and get the licenses for this next 3.x release,
PB> the update to 4.x is free, right?
PB> PB> Really, I have to say that performance in ASP.NET and Website
PB> projects, and LARGER projects in general, is really critical to my
PB> fellow developer's acceptance of this tool. They all loved it for
PB> what it did, but over half ended up having to install it due to
PB> frustrations with performance, load times, etc. This is why I don't
PB> even want anyone to look at 3.x until that web-site parsing bug and
PB> the "color coding" performance bug are both fixed. We have some
PB> older machines here, and we're all running Vista, so performance
PB> problems can really stand out.
PB> PB> I would like to be able to get the lapsed resharper developers
back
PB> on the horse. And since we're going to VS2008 sometime around the
PB> end of this month, or early next month, getting that enhanced
PB> version of 3.x out is pretty important to me.
PB> PB> Thanks!
PB> PB> - Paul
PB>


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Hello Paul,

I suggest that someone in your shop try latest 3.x nightly build with your
sites and see if perfmormance problems are fixed for you. We fixed a number
of performance issues, but (honestly) not all.

Sincerely,
Ilya Ryzhenkov

JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


PB> The problem is, we're moving to VS2008 in about two weeks. I was
PB> hoping the fixes for Resharper 3.x would be released pretty soon.
PB> It seems like they're just laying fallow right now... and I don't
PB> want to suggest people update to 3.1 and get turned off all over
PB> again at the poor performance. We can't wait for 4.x to come out.
PB>
PB> So there's no change 3.x fixes will be released soon?
PB>
PB> Is your best suggestion that I have everyone install the latest
PB> nightly build, then?
PB>
PB> "Ilya Ryzhenkov" <orangy@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
PB> news:76a2bd0b1535478ca589ebd70d8fb@news.intellij.net...
PB>
>> Hello Paul,
>>
>> * ReSharper 3 will have one more bugfix release sometime around
>> ReSharper 4 release, so if you are going to move to ReSharper 4 you
>> don't have to worry about ReSharper 3 anymore. * If you purchase
>> upgrade from 2.5 to 3.1 these days, licenses will work with ReSharper
>> 4. Or you can upgrade directly to v4 later, if performance of current
>> unreleased nightly builds of v3 is unacceptable.
>>
>> As for ReSharper slowness with large ASP.NET projects, the problem is
>> known and has been reduced in ReSharper 4, but not completely
>> eliminated. Did you try ReSharper 4 nightly builds with your sites?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ilya Ryzhenkov
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>> PB> We're currently still on the 2.5x version of Reshaper where I
>> work,
>> PB> using Visual Studio 2005.
>> PB> PB> We're about to upgrade to Visual Studio 2008, which requires
>> that
>> PB> we'll need to update Resharper.
>> PB> PB> We've actually lost a lot of Resharper developers who work on
>> PB> ASP.NET and Website projects, because of performance. It's also
>> my
>> PB> understanding that the released version of 3.1 still has
>> significant
>> PB> performance problems in this area which have been fixed (or at
>> least
>> PB> reduced) in the unreleased nightly builds.
>> PB> PB> We also plan to go to 4.0 as soon as it's out, due to the
>> fact
>> we'll
>> PB> soon be using .Net 3.5 framework and C# 3.0 language features.
>> PB> PB> My questions are this:
>> PB> PB> * When is the follow up bug-fix, performance-improved version
>> of
>> PB> the 3.x series going to be released?
>> PB> PB> * If we go ahead and get the licenses for this next 3.x
>> release,
>> PB> the update to 4.x is free, right?
>> PB> PB> Really, I have to say that performance in ASP.NET and Website
>> PB> projects, and LARGER projects in general, is really critical to
>> my
>> PB> fellow developer's acceptance of this tool. They all loved it
>> for
>> PB> what it did, but over half ended up having to install it due to
>> PB> frustrations with performance, load times, etc. This is why I
>> don't
>> PB> even want anyone to look at 3.x until that web-site parsing bug
>> and
>> PB> the "color coding" performance bug are both fixed. We have some
>> PB> older machines here, and we're all running Vista, so performance
>> PB> problems can really stand out.
>> PB> PB> I would like to be able to get the lapsed resharper
>> developers
>> back
>> PB> on the horse. And since we're going to VS2008 sometime around
>> the
>> PB> end of this month, or early next month, getting that enhanced
>> PB> version of 3.x out is pretty important to me.
>> PB> PB> Thanks!
>> PB> PB> - Paul
>> PB>


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So if I can read between the lines a bit, you have no date for the 3.1.2 (or
whatever) release, other than "sometime around the same time as 4.0", which
doesn't have a clear date either. Am I correct?

Since we're only licensed for 2.5 right now (work in progress to buy new
licenses for upgrading), does the nightly build have a temporary license?
Or will it fail to work for me until I get an official 3.x/4.x license?

"Ilya Ryzhenkov" <orangy@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
news:76a2bd0b1535b58ca58cce2d570a1@news.intellij.net...

Hello Paul,

>

I suggest that someone in your shop try latest 3.x nightly build with your
sites and see if perfmormance problems are fixed for you. We fixed a
number of performance issues, but (honestly) not all.
Sincerely,
Ilya Ryzhenkov

>

JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

>
>

PB> The problem is, we're moving to VS2008 in about two weeks. I was
PB> hoping the fixes for Resharper 3.x would be released pretty soon.
PB> It seems like they're just laying fallow right now... and I don't
PB> want to suggest people update to 3.1 and get turned off all over
PB> again at the poor performance. We can't wait for 4.x to come out.
PB> PB> So there's no change 3.x fixes will be released soon?
PB> PB> Is your best suggestion that I have everyone install the latest
PB> nightly build, then?
PB> PB> "Ilya Ryzhenkov" <orangy@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
PB> news:76a2bd0b1535478ca589ebd70d8fb@news.intellij.net...
PB>

>>> Hello Paul,
>>>
>>> * ReSharper 3 will have one more bugfix release sometime around
>>> ReSharper 4 release, so if you are going to move to ReSharper 4 you
>>> don't have to worry about ReSharper 3 anymore. * If you purchase
>>> upgrade from 2.5 to 3.1 these days, licenses will work with ReSharper
>>> 4. Or you can upgrade directly to v4 later, if performance of current
>>> unreleased nightly builds of v3 is unacceptable.
>>>
>>> As for ReSharper slowness with large ASP.NET projects, the problem is
>>> known and has been reduced in ReSharper 4, but not completely
>>> eliminated. Did you try ReSharper 4 nightly builds with your sites?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Ilya Ryzhenkov
>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>> PB> We're currently still on the 2.5x version of Reshaper where I
>>> work,
>>> PB> using Visual Studio 2005.
>>> PB> PB> We're about to upgrade to Visual Studio 2008, which requires
>>> that
>>> PB> we'll need to update Resharper.
>>> PB> PB> We've actually lost a lot of Resharper developers who work on
>>> PB> ASP.NET and Website projects, because of performance. It's also
>>> my
>>> PB> understanding that the released version of 3.1 still has
>>> significant
>>> PB> performance problems in this area which have been fixed (or at
>>> least
>>> PB> reduced) in the unreleased nightly builds.
>>> PB> PB> We also plan to go to 4.0 as soon as it's out, due to the
>>> fact
>>> we'll
>>> PB> soon be using .Net 3.5 framework and C# 3.0 language features.
>>> PB> PB> My questions are this:
>>> PB> PB> * When is the follow up bug-fix, performance-improved version
>>> of
>>> PB> the 3.x series going to be released?
>>> PB> PB> * If we go ahead and get the licenses for this next 3.x
>>> release,
>>> PB> the update to 4.x is free, right?
>>> PB> PB> Really, I have to say that performance in ASP.NET and Website
>>> PB> projects, and LARGER projects in general, is really critical to
>>> my
>>> PB> fellow developer's acceptance of this tool. They all loved it
>>> for
>>> PB> what it did, but over half ended up having to install it due to
>>> PB> frustrations with performance, load times, etc. This is why I
>>> don't
>>> PB> even want anyone to look at 3.x until that web-site parsing bug
>>> and
>>> PB> the "color coding" performance bug are both fixed. We have some
>>> PB> older machines here, and we're all running Vista, so performance
>>> PB> problems can really stand out.
>>> PB> PB> I would like to be able to get the lapsed resharper
>>> developers
>>> back
>>> PB> on the horse. And since we're going to VS2008 sometime around
>>> the
>>> PB> end of this month, or early next month, getting that enhanced
>>> PB> version of 3.x out is pretty important to me.
>>> PB> PB> Thanks!
>>> PB> PB> - Paul
>>> PB>
>


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Hello Paul,

We don't have date for next 3.x just because we are very busy with 4.0. As
for licenses, if you purchase 3.1 licenses, they will allow you to work with
3.x builds (including nightly) as well as released ReSharper 4.

Also, ReSharper 3 allows 30 days free evaluation without any license, so
you can just download and install it, and work for next 30 days.


Sincerely,
Ilya Ryzhenkov

JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"


PB> So if I can read between the lines a bit, you have no date for the
PB> 3.1.2 (or whatever) release, other than "sometime around the same
PB> time as 4.0", which doesn't have a clear date either. Am I correct?
PB>
PB> Since we're only licensed for 2.5 right now (work in progress to buy
PB> new licenses for upgrading), does the nightly build have a temporary
PB> license? Or will it fail to work for me until I get an official
PB> 3.x/4.x license?
PB>
PB> "Ilya Ryzhenkov" <orangy@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
PB> news:76a2bd0b1535b58ca58cce2d570a1@news.intellij.net...
PB>
>> Hello Paul,
>>
>> I suggest that someone in your shop try latest 3.x nightly build with
>> your
>> sites and see if perfmormance problems are fixed for you. We fixed a
>> number of performance issues, but (honestly) not all.
>> Sincerely,
>> Ilya Ryzhenkov
>> JetBrains, Inc
>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>> PB> The problem is, we're moving to VS2008 in about two weeks. I was
>> PB> hoping the fixes for Resharper 3.x would be released pretty soon.
>> PB> It seems like they're just laying fallow right now... and I don't
>> PB> want to suggest people update to 3.1 and get turned off all over
>> PB> again at the poor performance. We can't wait for 4.x to come
>> out.
>> PB> PB> So there's no change 3.x fixes will be released soon?
>> PB> PB> Is your best suggestion that I have everyone install the
>> latest
>> PB> nightly build, then?
>> PB> PB> "Ilya Ryzhenkov" <orangy@jetbrains.com> wrote in message
>> PB> news:76a2bd0b1535478ca589ebd70d8fb@news.intellij.net...
>> PB>
>>>> Hello Paul,
>>>>
>>>> * ReSharper 3 will have one more bugfix release sometime around
>>>> ReSharper 4 release, so if you are going to move to ReSharper 4 you
>>>> don't have to worry about ReSharper 3 anymore. * If you purchase
>>>> upgrade from 2.5 to 3.1 these days, licenses will work with
>>>> ReSharper 4. Or you can upgrade directly to v4 later, if
>>>> performance of current unreleased nightly builds of v3 is
>>>> unacceptable.
>>>>
>>>> As for ReSharper slowness with large ASP.NET projects, the problem
>>>> is known and has been reduced in ReSharper 4, but not completely
>>>> eliminated. Did you try ReSharper 4 nightly builds with your sites?
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Ilya Ryzhenkov
>>>> JetBrains, Inc
>>>> http://www.jetbrains.com
>>>> "Develop with pleasure!"
>>>> PB> We're currently still on the 2.5x version of Reshaper where I
>>>> work,
>>>> PB> using Visual Studio 2005.
>>>> PB> PB> We're about to upgrade to Visual Studio 2008, which
>>>> requires
>>>> that
>>>> PB> we'll need to update Resharper.
>>>> PB> PB> We've actually lost a lot of Resharper developers who work
>>>> on
>>>> PB> ASP.NET and Website projects, because of performance. It's
>>>> also
>>>> my
>>>> PB> understanding that the released version of 3.1 still has
>>>> significant
>>>> PB> performance problems in this area which have been fixed (or at
>>>> least
>>>> PB> reduced) in the unreleased nightly builds.
>>>> PB> PB> We also plan to go to 4.0 as soon as it's out, due to the
>>>> fact
>>>> we'll
>>>> PB> soon be using .Net 3.5 framework and C# 3.0 language features.
>>>> PB> PB> My questions are this:
>>>> PB> PB> * When is the follow up bug-fix, performance-improved
>>>> version
>>>> of
>>>> PB> the 3.x series going to be released?
>>>> PB> PB> * If we go ahead and get the licenses for this next 3.x
>>>> release,
>>>> PB> the update to 4.x is free, right?
>>>> PB> PB> Really, I have to say that performance in ASP.NET and
>>>> Website
>>>> PB> projects, and LARGER projects in general, is really critical to
>>>> my
>>>> PB> fellow developer's acceptance of this tool. They all loved it
>>>> for
>>>> PB> what it did, but over half ended up having to install it due to
>>>> PB> frustrations with performance, load times, etc. This is why I
>>>> don't
>>>> PB> even want anyone to look at 3.x until that web-site parsing bug
>>>> and
>>>> PB> the "color coding" performance bug are both fixed. We have some
>>>> PB> older machines here, and we're all running Vista, so
>>>> performance
>>>> PB> problems can really stand out.
>>>> PB> PB> I would like to be able to get the lapsed resharper
>>>> developers
>>>> back
>>>> PB> on the horse. And since we're going to VS2008 sometime around
>>>> the
>>>> PB> end of this month, or early next month, getting that enhanced
>>>> PB> version of 3.x out is pretty important to me.
>>>> PB> PB> Thanks!
>>>> PB> PB> - Paul
>>>> PB>


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