VS.NET Killer (JetBrains.NET IDE)

I am totally stoked that JetBrains is writting an IDE for C#. If you make
this thing open and extendable I think it could be a VS.NET killer. One
thing I WISH Microsoft would do but they never have and never will is to
start an open sourced set of GUI components for Windows Forms. They have
some for ASP.NET webforms but still kind of weak.

Anyhow there are HUGE deficiencies in the current winforms controls (as you
know)... they don't follow the MVC pattern so there are hacks and kludges to
do real databinding and really they are just a wrapper around win32 crap.

It would GREAT if your new IDE has some great useable controls, Docking
controls, a WORKING DataGrid, a WORKING Combobox that doesn't have to be
HACKED to get databinding to work. I don't really care too much about
super duper RAD designer support I just want really well designed widgets
that I can use. It would be great if it were open source because people
would flock to an open developer platform (like Eclipse) for .NET.

Anyhow I know this is probably way out of scope but it's still one of those
dreams I have that .NET will blossum into an open platform that isn't all
about dragging and dropping into a whiz bang designer.

Maybe VS.NET / Avalon will fix all my woes but for some reason I think not.
They can't even provide me a decent DateTimePicker in 2005!


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Hello Corbin,

while I agree with your points, you undoubtedly understand
that you really request a decent UI framework that is currently
missed in .NET. It is a quite different task (though somewhat connected)
than creating a good IDE, and I'm not sure if it can be solved
with reasonable amount of resources. After all, even MS didn't make
Avalon in the first releases of .NET framework, and back to mid-90s,
Java initially had only the first version of AWT which wasn't nearly as usable
as Swing now.

Regards,
Dmitry Shaporenkov
JetBrains, Inc
http://www.jetbrains.com
"Develop with pleasure!"

I am totally stoked that JetBrains is writting an IDE for C#. If you
make this thing open and extendable I think it could be a VS.NET
killer. One thing I WISH Microsoft would do but they never have and
never will is to start an open sourced set of GUI components for
Windows Forms. They have some for ASP.NET webforms but still kind of
weak.

Anyhow there are HUGE deficiencies in the current winforms controls
(as you know)... they don't follow the MVC pattern so there are hacks
and kludges to do real databinding and really they are just a wrapper
around win32 crap.

It would GREAT if your new IDE has some great useable controls,
Docking controls, a WORKING DataGrid, a WORKING Combobox that doesn't
have to be HACKED to get databinding to work. I don't really care
too much about super duper RAD designer support I just want really
well designed widgets that I can use. It would be great if it were
open source because people would flock to an open developer platform
(like Eclipse) for .NET.

Anyhow I know this is probably way out of scope but it's still one of
those dreams I have that .NET will blossum into an open platform that
isn't all about dragging and dropping into a whiz bang designer.

Maybe VS.NET / Avalon will fix all my woes but for some reason I think
not. They can't even provide me a decent DateTimePicker in 2005!




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I agree. The effort for doing this is staggering. Borland dropped their competing product.

Personally, I like the add-in features based on price/performance. It's freak'in awesome. VS.NET is a good IDE, it's just missing some very cool stuff that Resharper provides.

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I you want to get involved in an opensource IDE for .Net, then check out SharpDevelop at http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/

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Excellent... If it's possible to combine it with IntelliJ IDEA to create
seemless integration between C# and Java (not knowing wether you're
working with Java or C# classes), I think it will be a hit ;)

Has anyone here ever worked with Borland Janeva
http://www.borland.com/janeva/?

Wiebe


Corbin Hoenes wrote:

I am totally stoked that JetBrains is writting an IDE for C#. If you make
this thing open and extendable I think it could be a VS.NET killer. One
thing I WISH Microsoft would do but they never have and never will is to
start an open sourced set of GUI components for Windows Forms. They have
some for ASP.NET webforms but still kind of weak.

Anyhow there are HUGE deficiencies in the current winforms controls (as you
know)... they don't follow the MVC pattern so there are hacks and kludges to
do real databinding and really they are just a wrapper around win32 crap.

It would GREAT if your new IDE has some great useable controls, Docking
controls, a WORKING DataGrid, a WORKING Combobox that doesn't have to be
HACKED to get databinding to work. I don't really care too much about
super duper RAD designer support I just want really well designed widgets
that I can use. It would be great if it were open source because people
would flock to an open developer platform (like Eclipse) for .NET.

Anyhow I know this is probably way out of scope but it's still one of those
dreams I have that .NET will blossum into an open platform that isn't all
about dragging and dropping into a whiz bang designer.

Maybe VS.NET / Avalon will fix all my woes but for some reason I think not.
They can't even provide me a decent DateTimePicker in 2005!

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Or this one?

http://iiop-net.sourceforge.net/

Wiebe Tijsma wrote:

Excellent... If it's possible to combine it with IntelliJ IDEA to create
seemless integration between C# and Java (not knowing wether you're
working with Java or C# classes), I think it will be a hit ;)



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I have experience with both of those products..

Janeva - good but pricey
IIOP.NET - slow but does the job.

There is another product J-Integra Espresso that I am currently working with.

http://j-integra.intrinsyc.com/products/espresso/

This product does the exact same thing as Janeva but is much cheaper and about the same speed (faster on Weblogic 9).

Adam

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adam wrote:

I have experience with both of those products..

Janeva - good but pricey
IIOP.NET - slow but does the job.

There is another product J-Integra Espresso that I am currently working with.

http://j-integra.intrinsyc.com/products/espresso/

This product does the exact same thing as Janeva but is much cheaper and about the same speed (faster on Weblogic 9).

Adam


Excellent, thanks...

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